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Old 23 June 2004, 11:17   #91
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Bern,

You'll be fine with a newish second hand one, it's a very accomplished product. The widespread notion, however, that anything Japanese doesn't break is of course a misconception, and an old and abused Shogun or Landcruiser will drain your coffers like a good 'un! Parts prices are unpleasantly high, so be warned.
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Old 23 June 2004, 11:33   #92
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Bern,

Mitsubishi is surely a fine car but IMHO very much overpriced. Phil the Rangie man is also correct that the Jap 4x4's do cost a lot in parts and servicing when they need it. (My Trooper started getting expensive at 3 years or so.) The bald fact remains that buying jap will usually prove more reliable than Solihull's finest . That being said, Disco prices in particular are falling with the new model on way.

You don't need a monster 4x4 for La Bamba (unless you are thinking of upgrading?) so you might consider smaller 4x4's as well such as Jeep Cherokee (new shape), Grand Vitara etc. I would also look seriously at the Kia Sorento although demand probably outstrips supply on diesels so they will be pricy!

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Bern,

Mitsubishi is surely a fine car but IMHO very much overpriced. Phil the Rangie man is also correct that the Jap 4x4's do cost a lot in parts and servicing when they need it. (My Trooper started getting expensive at 3 years or so.) The bald fact remains that buying jap will usually prove more reliable than Solihull's finest . That being said, Disco prices in particular are falling with the new model on way.

Alan
Alan is right mitsubishi do make a very good 4x4 range i went for a l200 fourlife at work due to cost of buying new our model cost 15495 + vat
with a three year warrenty top class but the dealer are f*****G crap
worst i have ever come across and the cost of service is all so very high

get this it was being service at 4500 miles a full service about 300 and the oil change would be 150 they changed to 9000 miles which now cost 450
and then 500 still trying to work that out but its a company motor
and its free

sold my disco TD5 as that fell apart at 45000 miles but would still have any landrover tomorrow as the are the BEST OF BRITISH ANY ONE FOR TEA OLD BOY
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Absolutely old bean, mine's a Yorkshire Gold loose leaf with a smidgeon of milk - from the udder of a pedigree Friesian fed on finest Devonshire grass, of course.
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Benchmark for off-road capability of new Range Rover (L30) was the outgoing Range Rover (P38a) which had live-axles. Why then was David Sneath, chief project engineer on both L30 and P38a, able to create superior off-road performance in the new Range Rover with independent suspension? Because the air suspension of L30 differs from P38 in having cross-link valves between the gas springs, which open automatically as soon as wheel travel monitors sense the car is in an off-road situation. This allows air pressure to be diverted into the suspension on the side where a wheel has left the ground and is what endows the new Rangie with superior wheel articulation to the beam axle set-up of P38. Incidentally, rear wheel travel on L30 is 4" greater than P38, testiment to the fact that live-axles are not the be-all and end-all off-road!
The p38 has nowhere near the articulation of an earlier coil sprung vehicle without rollbars - like a Defender or classic Range Rover for example - the p38 is a poor choice as a benchmark!

As a matter of interest the original Range Rover usually wins the american RTI contests where they measure travel on a ramp - they usually beat the Yank stuff with 2.5" lifts and all the mods.

Having said all this the NEW Range Rover is one hell of an achievement - so much so I am going to treat myself when the Cayenne beater comes out - the Range Stormer

http://www.autointell.net/Events/nai...ge-stormer.htm

May have a long wait though! For now about to buy a Defender double cab TD5 modified for expedition use.
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God knows why I am making this thread even longer, but to add my say.

Love my Shogun to bits, Its a 3.2TD LWB with a manual box and it does everything I ask of it very well, just like my old 2.8TD.

I do a lot of motorway miles during the week and then tow my Ocean 6.25 around at the weekend, plus do the odd green lane. With the boat on the back Its good on the beach, Sand or Shingle, and on wet grass or mud, and carts me around in a suit Monday to Friday. Who could ask for more? although its worth doing a one day course to learn how to drive a 4X4 properly when you need to.

Mind you, one of the new 'Smaller' Hummers would be good.

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Before anyone "buys a new 4X4 that shall remain nameless" ask your local dealer if they've taken out all the odd screws, nuts, bolts and rivets that accumulate when the dash assembly is being built...'cause they find their way into the airbag shute...ask if he saw the face of the crash test dummy when the airbag went off.... If your dealer looks suitably embarrassed, then you're looking at the same model....
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Hmm...drugs or something...

Just to show how 'patriotic' to our brands we are...

My wife's Land Rover Discovery is the best car EVER. It's cool. It breaks speed limits. It goes up rock steps in the Lake District. It wades GOOD. Traction control means that it is as good in the mud as my mate's defender 90 (WITH muds) - (incidentaly, not the mate I nearly snuffed with a PWC - but move on). I can even fill it up with more FURNITURE than ever before!!!!!!!!! - (erm...important to Nicky, not me).

However, while it has never let us down, (and I still love it) in 14,000 miles, it's been back to the dealer 9 times, (8 times down to quality, once for a recall). Nicky's last company car, an MX-5, went back for servicing. End of.

D...

P.S. Still miss my SIII.........

P.P.S. If anyone notices that England are still playing while I type - I CAN'T COPE WITH THE STRESS...why can't we pass to feet, like every other team, including Portugal...
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I thought both Landrover and Rangerover where owned by BMW and therefore classed as German cars..

Also Phil, is the new Rangerover not just a modifed BMW X5 ?????

I'm only guessing.......
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