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Old 09 December 2002, 18:15   #11
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Hmm, now don't quote me as the regs are about to change, but a bare boat charter doesn't need the RYA qualifications like say a fishing boat. With bare boat the "hirer" takes the responsibility although the owner is suposed to carryout a check for suitability for the intended voyage .

In the old rules its para 26.2 but whats really anoying is that the MCA expect everyone to buy the new ones shortly rather than down load them from the web site.

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Old 09 December 2002, 18:26   #12
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...bare boat charter doesn't need the RYA qualifications...
yeah, but aren't there two issues:
1. Charter Co's insurance probably insist on the hirer having at least PYA p-boat-2
2. A charter co's craft has to conform to the appropriate MCA coding (I'm sure JK used to have an article about this on here somewhere - ah, no - it's on Paul Glatzel's site) - as soon a money changes hands as this becomes a commercial issue.
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Old 10 December 2002, 06:01   #13
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Oh for Gods sake. Give it a break..... I have my level 2 powerboat course. I will insure the boat and as long as nobody tells the UK regulatory bodies that I am in IRELAND it wont matter. Jeez guy's you are getting your lifejackets (knickers) in a twist over rules and regulations.
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Old 10 December 2002, 06:09   #14
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Charter Internationals e-mail address is

Info@charter-international.com
their phone no is 01590 678010

Give them a call and see what they could quote u.


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Old 10 December 2002, 17:11   #15
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Whoa, slow down Scotty!!

D'you mean that there's no Irish equivalent of the MCA charter code?

That sounds quite enlightening, as in UK waters you can't charter a RIB for an overnight passage or go more than 20 miles from a "safe haven".

So, you're allowed to have fun. I'm only jealous
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The Mca coding is changing as we speak,I contacted the RYA and they sent me a copy. of the latest revision,this revision is the 4th this yr and they are still revising it before it comes in to law.

As far as Im aware to get Mca coding for an offshore catergory Rib your boat has to be stability tested based on ISO 12217,

There are other restrictions if it wants to go further out than 3 miles under charter,the minimum the skipper has to Have as I understand it is a Yachtmaster offshore,both practical and theory
Ticket,First aid ticket,Sea survival Ticket, and Gmdss Ticket vhf.

This is if it is skippered on charter,If it is Skippered bye the hirer I am not sure weather Power boat 2 is enough,I would hazard a guess that you would also need vhf,sea survival,first aid and are not allowed to do any night passages you may also only operate within the catergory of your ribs conditions.i.e if cat ce marked cat c rcd and coded for charter then this may be only three 3 miles only?I may be wrong on this one but its certanly getting tough out there and important to look at.

Its a nightmare whats happening out there in compliance world.
The insurance companies are happy as the more people wing it the more they dont have to pay out if something goes wrong.

Good luck. the MCA web site is www.mca.co.uk/survey/code_vessel/faq/index
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Sorry I meant to say 20 miles not 3 in my reponce.

And my link doesnt work should be www.mcga.gov.uk

Sorry about that.

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Old 11 December 2002, 03:59   #18
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What you say applies to Greece and Italy for all boats RIBs, sailing boats, cuisers, private and chartered boats etc etc.
I think (I'm not sure and correct me if I'm wrong) that the stability testing ISO 12217 is passed when a RIB gets the CE certificate and when it passes certificate B (this is for offshore cruising I think).
As in the UK the sailing regulations have not been as strict as in other EU countries until now (not too many crazy people going out on a wet cold day I think LOLOL ) and as the UK is a member of the EU these regulations you mention (and you will have more to come) will have to come into force for the UK to be inline with all other EU member state rules regarding small/large craft etc.
I believe that when you mentioned the certificate one needs for cruising 3 miles offshore etc applies for a skippered boat and not for private individuals. As far as I know one only needs an RYA ICC or equivalent certificate issued by any EU state to skipper a boat (or that does not apply any more?)
In any case, as it should be expected the strictest regs apply to all EU countries regarding boating in general which I think is A VERY GOOD IDEA!! .
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Just found this add mate. May would woth giving them a ring??
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Dear Manos,

The new Iso Standardes ISO 12217 offshore requirment to acieve Cat B status only came into effect this yr. for Recreational Craft.

The way I see it is a RCD cat C boat may one day get stuffed into only being allowed to go out in daylight,3 miles from port and probably will not be allowed to be used for anything else other than mooching about unless it gets a stability test done,which I can say some great open ribs will not pass as they either have downfooding angles of less than 40 Degrees or are to stable the wrong way up..

This may not bother anybody and I realy do hope it dont happen,but as I said in the past I am a Happy Cynick.

You see when I was mooching about this yr at Ribex I saw a open boat that looked like a military boat and I liked it,so I asked the company was it an offshore and they said yes, no problem sir.

Bulshit it was marked up cat C RCD,yes at the moment you are allowed to go offshore untill the insurance companys realise there is another angle for them not to pay out.

Insurance companies in my opinion dont want to loose there existing clients so they arnt going to say to much on the subject at present.
EG, sir you should not be using this boat in those conditions,or area?

Its a bad time with all the new regulations and I feel we should maybe all ask Rib net to ask a few unhealthy questions like to the Mca or RYA.

1X If my boat got cat C ce marking what are the limitations now and can you guarantee they will not change in the next 10 yrs and the insurance companies will at no time limit my use for private use.

2X If I have bought a cat B boat before the Iso Standardes came into force,i.e this yr will I ever have to get it re surveyed or could my Cat B status ever be lossed in the next 10 yrs

3x If I have bought a cat B boat that Wasnt measured against the current iso 12217 does that mean if I want to charter I will have to start all over again and becouse it aint got a stability test done it may fail! and then I may be limited to pootling about within 3 miles in daylight.

Its just bad news for the man that buys a RIB withought looking into things.

And Im no tecki but when you spend a lot of money on a rib you want it to be right and I hope by asking these questions we get a debate that helps all of us get what we want.

Not what we are sold.

As far as the person who wants to charter a rib this yr goes .

My advice is simple buy one then sell it, it may be cheaper


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