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Old 03 August 2013, 07:11   #31
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Seems to me that Sea Shepard is run on donations yet they want to give away 2 grand
Maybe they saved it on crew training?
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Old 03 August 2013, 09:29   #32
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Kerny sea shepherd are only offering 1000 the rest is from an insurer. Given the huge costs of running their operation 1k for something that furthers their interests seems small fry to me. Even if there was no intent to cause harm it doesn't make it morally or legally right. Bounties are always concerning but in reality most are a pr trick to get it media coverage. No way 1000 would buy them the sort of reporting they got. The bonus is chance of conviction is low so probably never paid.
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At the beginning of this thread I had noted the (what now seems was inevitable slide towards) forum politics around S.Shepard etc and my feeling that these politics needed to be avoided if at all possible....(I am no ardent fan of S Shepards way of doing things I assure you)......but seeing as we've got there

I agree that this may well have been an accident, but there is also a need to learn from accidents and try to prevent re-occurance. There was, from the outset, some strong suggestion of harrassment of the Dolphins by several boats.... This needs investigation. Over and above the moral issues, it is also illegal to harrass Dolphins in the UK, and claiming ignorance on the part of the person or persons who (if indeed they did) cause the death is not a robust defence. There is a burden on us to understand (and abide by?) these laws as responsible water users..... The law must be given the opportunity to be exercised (and the finding of culpability or otherwise decided through the proper legal channels.....) To do this, clearly, there is a need to invesitgate /try and identify if a person or persons was /were responsible.

My own feeling is that he attention this has received can only be a positive thing in terms of raising awareness of the legal and moral issues (and potential outcomes of ignoring these) surrounding interaction with wildlife (in general) and cetaceans (in particular).

You are quite right, this is England....but the law also extends to the other countries of the UK too

I think you've missed my point so i'll explain

( England not Japan )
As a nation we do not slaughter dolphins.

( Probably an Accident )
Not a willful act

I think if you are looking to educate the general public to there legal requirements when interacting with dolphins, Offering a £2000 pound reward for info on the killer is not the way.

This is only giving sea shepard & Bob Archellís Dive Master Insurance publicity.
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I think if you are looking to educate the general public to there legal requirements when interacting with dolphins, Offering a £2000 pound reward for info on the killer is not the way.

This is only giving sea shepard & Bob Archellís Dive Master Insurance publicity.
Actually what it does is highlight to the boating public that:

- there are expected standards of behaviour
- that abusing them could lead to prosecution
- that the absence of officials on scene won't necessarily stop a prosecution
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Maybe they saved it on crew training?
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People seem to think more of animals than human beings 2k reward ....


Compensation for abused and murdered children don't get much more than that

Don't get me wrong I love animals and I'm certainly against cruelty and unnecessary killing of them but for me human beings come first.

I would rather give 2k to the NSPCC than pay a reward to find out who was responsible for killing that dolphin.
I agree with Kerny 100%!.. Sad I'm sure,but Come on!... with the things happening to Children in Society (Ours) Surely there are ALOT of other things,of much more importance to exercise our Sympathy and Fund Raiseing!?.. Always found it incongruous that we a have a Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and just a National One for our Children
Maybe that says a lot about The Public Mentality
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+2 for that mate can't see em killing it on purpose not like them twats we have heard about in the news this week
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Always found it incongruous that we a have a Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and just a National One for our Children
Maybe that says a lot about The Public Mentality


The NSPCC was granted its Royal Charter in 1895, when Queen Victoria became its first Royal Patron. It did not change its title to "Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children" or similar, as the name NSPCC was already well established, and to avoid confusion with the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA), which had already existed for more than fifty years.
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The NSPCC was granted its Royal Charter in 1895, when Queen Victoria became its first Royal Patron. It did not change its title to "Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children" or similar, as the name NSPCC was already well established, and to avoid confusion with the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA), which had already existed for more than fifty years.
And what a waste of time the RSPCA are in my book
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Actually what it does is highlight to the boating public that:

- there are expected standards of behaviour
- that abusing them could lead to prosecution
- that the absence of officials on scene won't necessarily stop a prosecution
If this is the case next time you are out on the water ask a few of the general or boating public what are the standards of behaviour required when interacting with dolphins in Uk waters,
And then maybe ask them if they know anything about the £2000 reward put up for finding the recent Padstow dolphin killer.
I am sure I know which one they will know more about.

If you have never been told how to act around dolphins or any other marine wild life how will you know.
I was only told how I should act after my first experience with bottlenose dolphins in Aberporth after I had already interacted with them.

As I said before I cannot believe some one would purposely drive over a dolphin but when they swim under your boat as they often do an accident could happen.

Education not scare tactics.
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