Your Average rope set up ?

Blakeys7 · 21 January 2018, 06:58

Hi
What would be the standard set up/requirement for mooring lines/painter/anchor etc on a 5.2m rib please ?

Info on securing points would also help

I intend on trailering my boat and using slipways for launching.

Also recommendations on size/quality/make appreciated.

Thanks in advance for all your knowledge

boristhebold · 21 January 2018, 08:56

Have a look at some other ribs for ideas, good quality ropes make it easier on your hand, for mooring lines make sure they are not short, some people think they should not be longer than boat incase the lines fall over and get caught in prop, i personal feel its better if they are slightly longer than boat as usefull when pulling boat about or especially in in a dry stack easier for the dry stack guys if length is decent, you should always secure the lines properely when moving off so not much of an issue.

In terms of anchor lines many people dont have enouth rope or enouth chain, just watch boats trying to anchor for the bournemouth air show its rather amusing, also depends where you intending to anchor but also rememeber an anchor is also a safety device, so something like 10 metres of chain and 30 or 40 metres of rope would be a good start, its the weight of the chain which actually holds the boat at anchor. again a decent quality rope so when your pulling the stuff up from depth its easier on your hands.

treerat · 21 January 2018, 10:08

I have on my 5.5;

4m front painter, 4m and 6m rear painter that can be attached to A frame or D ring as required, both have a loop spliced in one end which means no knots! Carried under the seat rather then attached as I don't like rope attached at the stern.

Both can be attached to the painter if it needs extending. They came from a chap on here that splices rope for a hobby.

Also have a 20m length that gets used to extend mooring lines / spring as required.

Anchor wise it's 6m or so of chain and 25m of rope, permanently attached to the anchor but not attached to the boat (used to be on the old one but no attachment in anchor locker).

The 20m mentioned above can extend if required. This gets attached to the painter so anchor point is the bow eye. Remember not to attach at the end though or it's a pig to recover.

I also have a 30m line that is used for toys, springs, whatever. If in deeper water can extend the anchor again.

Spare rope lives in dry bags and gets washed / dried if used.

Andy_Rs600 · 21 January 2018, 13:23

The only thing I can add is make sure any mooring lines you put on the a-frame or near the stern are taken off and stowed when underway. You'll see a fair few people just coiling them up, but if the coil ever comes undone the rope tends to make it's way out though open elephant trunks and round the prop...

Last Tango · 21 January 2018, 13:27

I'm of the view the bow line shouldn't be able to reach your prop.
Bear in mind it might not be yourself that's stowing the line and it only needs to happen once for you to be in a real predicament.
Remember if it's fixed to the bow eye you might not be able to reach it and you're engine's not going to trim up for you to reach the other end.

If for any reason you need it longer it only takes two minutes to tie another line to it.

beamishken · 21 January 2018, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

I'm of the view the bow line shouldn't be able to reach your prop.
Bear in mind it might not be yourself that's stowing the line and it only needs to happen once for you to be in a real predicament.
Remember if it's fixed to the bow eye you might not be able to reach it and you're engine's not going to trim up for you to reach the other end.

If for any reason you need it longer it only takes two minutes to tie another line to it.

I think that's good advice? a painter round the prop has got to be the worst possible foul.You probably can't reach bow ring easily and can't trim engine up at all

jeffstevens763@g · 21 January 2018, 15:03

Buy floating rope

beamishken · 21 January 2018, 16:01

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

Buy floating rope

Still likely to go round the prop once your moving. Ok it will float to one side at rest but as soon as you turn it's likely to be forced under the boat straight into the prop
Safest to keep it short and extend if needed

Gynner · 21 January 2018, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

I'm of the view the bow line shouldn't be able to reach your prop.
Bear in mind it might not be yourself that's stowing the line and it only needs to happen once for you to be in a real predicament.
Remember if it's fixed to the bow eye you might not be able to reach it and you're engine's not going to trim up for you to reach the other end.

If for any reason you need it longer it only takes two minutes to tie another line to it.

Bow line only does that the first time it goes overboard at speed.

Blakeys7 · 21 January 2018, 17:06

Thanks all for your great advice.

What about the thickness and type of rope ? Seems so much to choose from on the Force 4 website.

Best buy on a budget (wife's that is)

Blakey

BogMonster · 22 January 2018, 07:33

If the bow line/painter is permanently attached (as mine is) I believe that it ought to stop just before the transom when laid along the bottom of the boat for the reasons already stated.

Otherwise a selection of lines are useful. I've got a couple that are ~5m long with a big eye spliced in one end (other end usually has a bowline with a carabiner on it, but can be undone if I need to feed it through something) and then I've got a couple of long lines - I think offhand one is about 10m and one is about 15m - which I keep for towing and any other requirements, though I rarely use them for mooring.

Soft white nylon is my preference, though it does go hard in the sun if left outside. Bit of stretch in it to take out jerky shock loadings, and plenty strong enough. I think 10mm nylon is typically about 2 tonnes breaking strain, and if you manage to break that in normal mooring without removing whatever it's tied to on the rib then something's not right!

My longest line is 12mm which is the one I'd use for towing another boat (or being towed) if I had to, which is about 3600kg breaking strain.

I also have nylon for the anchor rope (think it's 12mm) but I wouldn't recommend 3 strand as a long length like that gets terribly snarled up and twisted in the anchor locker (I think they call it "cockling"). I need to replace it but I haven't got around to it as I have never used the anchor in seven years... if I do get around to it I'll use proper multiplait anchor rope which apparently behaves like chain in the anchor locker.

Pikey Dave · 22 January 2018, 09:49

Painter about 3/4 the length of the boat. It has a locking Karibiner on the free end that clips to the lifeline just by the helm seat, so I can get to the painter from the helm. 4 x 12mm braided mooring lines with soft eyes at one end, 2@5m & 2@10m. 30m 16mm anchor plait + 8m of 8mm chain.

Nos4r2 · 22 January 2018, 12:51

Enough to make up to 5 times the depth of water you expect to be out in if possible, so you've got a decent anchor line if you're in trouble, plus the boat length in chain.

Painter just too short to get to the prop, stern line the same length as the painter.
Part of the 5x above is 2 springs 1.5x boat length.

Don't use floating rope for your anchor line. In crowded anchorages or if for some reason it's not taut it's a hazard. It's no fun trying to get your anchor line off your prop as you're drifting ashore.

Last Tango · 22 January 2018, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Enough to make up to 5 times the depth of water you expect to be out in if possible, so you've got a decent anchor line if you're in trouble, plus the boat length in chain.

Really !!!

So that'd be 1,500mtrs (about a mile) for a trip in Loch Fyne?

Nos4r2 · 22 January 2018, 15:20

There's exceptions!

I carry about 250 feet all in.

Xk59D · 22 January 2018, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

Really !!!

So that'd be 1,500mtrs (about a mile) for a trip in Loch Fyne?

Last Tango · 22 January 2018, 17:55

Yeh.

The RYA advice with rope/chain anchor is 6 X the depth.

You're going to be the most unpopular guy in the bay

jeffstevens763@g · 22 January 2018, 18:41

If your bow lines don't reach your prop how long are your stern lines? Call me. Old fashioned but I always make sure mine are tied up and stowed.

Pecheur Anglais · 22 January 2018, 19:26

Budget wives?

Pecheur Anglais · 22 January 2018, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Blakeys7

Thanks all for your great advice.

What about the thickness and type of rope ? Seems so much to choose from on the Force 4 website.

Best buy on a budget (wife's that is)

Blakey

Not so sure there is such a thing as a budget wife. If there is, please point me there!http://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/likeadrain.gif