How mad am I? - Page 3

beamishken · 14 July 2020, 18:20

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Originally Posted by smallribber

PVC is fine

Not if you want it to last as long as the op intends it isnt

Livid · 14 July 2020, 18:37

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Originally Posted by smallribber

PVC is fine

I've had bad luck with it. Had to do about 500 repairs to a sib and it's caught the sun and looks pretty bad after only a few years

smallribber · 14 July 2020, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Livid

I've had bad luck with it. Had to do about 500 repairs to a sib and it's caught the sun and looks pretty bad after only a few years

My Rib and 3 Sibs are all PVC and I would always choose it over most other fabrics

smallribber · 14 July 2020, 20:07

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Originally Posted by beamishken

Not if you want it to last as long as the op intends it isnt

And the evidence to back that up comes from where

Livid · 14 July 2020, 20:32

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Originally Posted by smallribber

And the evidence to back that up comes from where

Hypalon and PU are worlds apart from PVC, there's a reason you don't see any 30 year old pvc boats, they deteriorate under UV, are more porous, less stretchy, less resistant to bumps and scratches and are more easily damaged by oils etc

If you look at the datasheets for the materials (a summary of which is available here ) you can see there's a reason PU is becoming more popular and they're more expensive. They're a load better

beamishken · 14 July 2020, 21:47

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Originally Posted by smallribber

And the evidence to back that up comes from where

Just read all the threads on here about 10 year old sibs falling apart at the seams. Its a well known fact pvc boats are cheap to buy but have a limited life cycle

spartacus · 14 July 2020, 21:54

Are you mad, probably!

I joined 'Sitting there rotting in a boatyard' on Facebook recently. Honestly - some of the stuff that comes up is just crying out for a gallon of petrol and a match. Some guy is seriously contemplating doing this up, however needs others with a similar passion and lots of cash. The same rules apply, whether it's £5k or £500k boat.

Refurbishing something if you don't have the necessary skills to do it yourself is going to mean specialist labour. Add in materials, hourly rates, potential travel and 'hidden extras'.

My advice, buy something for £5-8k and enjoy it. Just my tuppence worth.

GuyC · 14 July 2020, 22:15

After a bit of digging....

"SARINDA was built as ML 1392 by Berthon Boats, Lymington, and completed on 20 December 1943. Also part of the 149th ML Flotilla, she was a navigation leader at Gold Beach during the D-day landings in June 1944. "

https://www.nationalhistoricships.or...r/1135/sarinda

I can sort of understand their desire to do it up but it needs a benefactor with a couple of million quid.

Livid · 14 July 2020, 23:01

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Originally Posted by spartacus

Are you mad, probably!

I joined 'Sitting there rotting in a boatyard' on Facebook recently. Honestly - some of the stuff that comes up is just crying out for a gallon of petrol and a match. Some guy is seriously contemplating doing this up, however needs others with a similar passion and lots of cash. The same rules apply, whether it's £5k or £500k boat.

Refurbishing something if you don't have the necessary skills to do it yourself is going to mean specialist labour. Add in materials, hourly rates, potential travel and 'hidden extras'.

My advice, buy something for £5-8k and enjoy it. Just my tuppence worth.

MY psychiatrist confirmed I'm insane so that's one question answered. I'm fully aware no matter what I choose it's gonna end up being a good 2 to 4 grand more than quoted. there's gonna be something odd like a cat skeleton in the hull and it'll need exorcising.
I've been looking at ribs in that price range and have found precisely 0 boats that appeal to me, see above on the confirmation that I'm totally insane. I did however see a searider hull in good condition for 750 quid which I am very interested in

smallribber · 15 July 2020, 04:39

It is not always about the cost or indeed resale value of a boat there are often many other factors that people consider

Maximus · 15 July 2020, 08:02

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Originally Posted by Livid

MY psychiatrist confirmed I'm insane so that's one question answered. I'm fully aware no matter what I choose it's gonna end up being a good 2 to 4 grand more than quoted. there's gonna be something odd like a cat skeleton in the hull and it'll need exorcising.
I've been looking at ribs in that price range and have found precisely 0 boats that appeal to me, see above on the confirmation that I'm totally insane. I did however see a searider hull in good condition for 750 quid which I am very interested in

At the end of the day....it's you're money and you're decision....and you'll ONLY really be able find out the answer AM I MAD!?... when you've done it!

You'll either be a Happy Bunny....or Livid!

Livid · 15 July 2020, 08:34

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Originally Posted by Maximus

At the end of the day....it's you're money and you're decision....and you'll ONLY really be able find out the answer AM I MAD!?... when you've done it!

You'll either be a Happy Bunny....or Livid!

ba dum tssss

can't be any worse than it is so I think I'll be happy either way, need to do a lot more work with my summer job to afford it though hahaha

spartacus · 15 July 2020, 08:55

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Originally Posted by GuyC

After a bit of digging....

"SARINDA was built as ML 1392 by Berthon Boats, Lymington, and completed on 20 December 1943. Also part of the 149th ML Flotilla, she was a navigation leader at Gold Beach during the D-day landings in June 1944. "

https://www.nationalhistoricships.or...r/1135/sarinda

I can sort of understand their desire to do it up but it needs a benefactor with a couple of million quid.

Interesting. I didn't know the legacy behind it.

There was a thirty foot sloop called called Aziz on the site a month or so ago which was sailed across the Atlantic by Nicolette Milnes Walker, the first woman to sail single-handed in 1971.

jeffstevens763@g · 15 July 2020, 10:44

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Originally Posted by beamishken

Just read all the threads on here about 10 year old sibs falling apart at the seams. Its a well known fact pvc boats are cheap to buy but have a limited life cycle

thats glue failure most ive seen are zodiac, ask gurnard about his 16 year old quicksilver sib where it failed and he's reusing the fabric on his new boat. PVC wasn't what it is today 30 years ago you have to also look how its been stored too keep um covered and they'll last
from my experience welded seams are the way to go. and the reinforcing plates on the excel bolted through gives confidence IMO

Livid · 15 July 2020, 10:50

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

thats glue failure most ive seen are zodiac, ask gurnard about his 16 year old quicksilver sib where it failed and he's reusing the fabric on his new boat. PVC wasn't what it is today 30 years ago you have to also look how its been stored too keep um covered and they'll last
from my experience welded seams are the way to go. and the reinforcing plates on the excel bolted through gives confidence IMO

PU can also be welded though

jeffstevens763@g · 15 July 2020, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Livid

PU can also be welded though

yep it is better than PVC tornado have used it for years PVC has its place especially the cost factor personally i get fed up with my boats before they wear out.

SixtyNorth · 15 July 2020, 11:05

You seem to be able to buy a new Zodiac SR4 for about 8K.

Have you got some other quotes for fixing up your current boat? If spending the money, it would be best to have someone familiar with old Seariders do the work. People here can no-doubt point you in the right direction. Using a boatyard who are not familiar with RIBs or Seariders may end up costing you more and taking more time.

Livid · 15 July 2020, 11:38

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

yep it is better than PVC tornado have used it for years PVC has its place especially the cost factor personally i get fed up with my boats before they wear out.

Oh definitely pvc has its place, we have a pvc sib that's about 20 years old and is in acceptable condition but really doesn't look too sharp

Livid · 15 July 2020, 11:41

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Originally Posted by SixtyNorth

You seem to be able to buy a new Zodiac SR4 for about 8K.

Have you got some other quotes for fixing up your current boat? If spending the money, it would be best to have someone familiar with old Seariders do the work. People here can no-doubt point you in the right direction. Using a boatyard who are not familiar with RIBs or Seariders may end up costing you more and taking more time.

I've asked around and my quote does seem reasonable. The guys I am currently looking at also make XS ribs so they're very good with ribs. They certainly seemed knowledgeable about the searider. I'd only get a new sr4 if it was the same as the old one and I could put my dashboard etc in, and I've been told the new sr4 isn't as good as the old one and that my dash won't fit

beamishken · 15 July 2020, 12:23

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

thats glue failure most ive seen are zodiac, ask gurnard about his 16 year old quicksilver sib where it failed and he's reusing the fabric on his new boat. PVC wasn't what it is today 30 years ago you have to also look how its been stored too keep um covered and they'll last
from my experience welded seams are the way to go. and the reinforcing plates on the excel bolted through gives confidence IMO

The point is pvc is cheaper and inferior to hypalon and polyurethane. It simply doesnt last the way hypalon and modern pu does. Old pu boats weren't a particular success & many have failed well before similar age hypalon boats.
Not many folk are going to agree it would be a suitable choice for the ops purpose which was the suggestion.
It has its place yes,I have a pvc Ribeye rib tender which I think is great but I'm under no illusion that its not as good as or will last like a hypalon boat would