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Old 30 September 2013, 13:52   #1
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BBC boat kill-cord program on TONIGHT

We just learned BBC will be airing their new short boat kill cord documentary tonight, Monday September 30, 2013

It will be broadcast tonight at 19:30 on BBC1 on "Inside Out South West" in the South and South West of England.

It'll be on the BBC iPlayer for a week - search for "Inside Out South West".

If you are in the UK we think you can see it from
BBC iPlayer - iPlayer TV Home

Note - BBC and iPlayer are only visible from the UK.

BBC does have a global player for purchase that will work in some other countries but not in the U.S.

This broadcast starts in something less than a couple hours from when we posted this note the way we read the time zones. Please watch it and comment here if you can. We cant see it from the U.S. using normal methods.

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Old 30 September 2013, 14:03   #2
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Father of youngster killed at Southampton many years ago is now driving for compulsory wearing of KC after last Padstow one and reckons RYA not interested
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Paul Glatzel came across very well there.
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Paul Glatzel came across very well there.
Yep .

I always think the reporters trying and 'excite' it all - almost looking to present/question in a way as if Mr G doesn't want people to use killcords......
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Yep .

I always think the reporters trying and 'excite' it all - almost looking to present/question in a way as if Mr G doesn't want people to use killcords......
Agreed. The result from where I'm sitting was Paul G came across as well thought out and logical, while Heddon Johnson came across as a bit dim and a little overzealous.
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PG- RYA states a knee jerk reaction may be due to one incident, BUT on the water during filming they found half were not wearing KC. Suggests training and education fails

If this fails what options are left to RYA? A great saying on clip was "with power comes responsibility". Either this is the skipper or the RYA has to change its stance to prevent fatal accidents.
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Compulsory KC wearing- enforce by who?
Fines for non compliance? administered by who?
Ignore and hope nothing happens- Fatally flawed!

I just hope there is a solution and I am never faced with having to drag seriously injured or dead out of the water because the skipper could not be bothered
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Old 01 October 2013, 03:09   #10
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I havent seen the program yet, but when I was working it was a sackable offence not to use a kill cord,I didnt need that sort of stick,as I have more sense, cant swim anyway.
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Does anyone have a link to the statistics for kill cord accidents over the last 13 years?
It was stated on the program that there has been no improvement since the boat show incident - but no figures to back it up.

Statistics are all well and good but even the program said that a minor incident where the helm went overboard with a kill cord attached might not be reported - so we will never know how effective they are - we only hear when someone unfortunately forgets to put it on - AND has an accident.
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Old 01 October 2013, 04:15   #12
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Just watched it. Quite interesting...
I make sure mine is on but it's only a small boat...
Think the RYA guy said about two deaths a year on average...
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Just watched the program, very good I thought, RYA Trainer very thoughtful, and in my opinion is correct, I thought the WiFi option is good and could be used however if the helm goes over, how do the people on the boat then recover the helm ????

Someone will suggest there is an over ride to the device, if this is the case, 50% (Guess) will decide not to use the WiFi option, as they do with the kill cord.

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Just watched it. Quite interesting...
I make sure mine is on but it's only a small boat...
Think the RYA guy said about two deaths a year on average...

May only be a small boat, however it has the potential of the boat hitting you with the engine still doing 2000 - 4000 revs !!!
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May only be a small boat, however it has the potential of the boat hitting you with the engine still doing 2000 - 4000 revs !!!
Very true steco, which is why I wear mine... What I meant is I don't have so far to move on mine to do things so the kill cord is no bother....

I quite liked the wifi thing too...
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if the wifi option cannot tell where you are to the inch then not yet goon enough. I have seen vids of these taking 3 sec or so to kill the engine when sender is over the stern where legs would be getting chopped.
Sure this will be improved over time, but ive yet to see one i would be comfortable with.
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They showed the RNLI crew without one - am sure read on here before that the throttles are spring loaded - or am i just imaging it? If it is, whats the views on that? Not done enough RIBing to figure out if that has gotchas or not?
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Just watched it, first thoughts were any coverage that might help others use their kill cords must be good.
But can't help thinking of all the many ideas and discussions on here over this subject, did anything really come of it !!
I'll just watch the thread and see how it goes, or pans out. If anything it's left me thinking the same thoughts as I did before, why can people not see the danger.
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The result from where I'm sitting was Paul G came across as well thought out and logical, while Heddon Johnson came across as a bit dim and a little overzealous.
I agree that Paul did a good job, but I think your comments about Johnson are a bit harsh. I don't agree with him, but I do have enormous sympathy for him.

I wasn't very impressed with the reaction time for the Coastkey. Seems like a lot of money and complicated electronics to produce something that appears to be substantially less effective than a glorified piece of string!
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They showed the RNLI crew without one - am sure read on here before that the throttles are spring loaded - or am i just imaging it? If it is, whats the views on that? Not done enough RIBing to figure out if that has gotchas or not?
no spring loading - quite the opposite, in fact. Currently reliant on crew training, footstraps, relatively underpowered ribs, PPE, 90 degree engine immobilisation. Operating history probably supports that position, given the downside of accidentally losing propulsion in certain scenarios.

Fair to say I do things to a lifeboat (deliberately, and as trained) that I wouldn't do to my own for similar reasons.
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