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Old 31 December 2012, 03:01   #1
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Wondering about reviews of Prop Guards?

Hi,
I am thinking about buying a Prop Guard for a Honda 15hp outboard, and was wondering about what you thought of this companies products?
For Your Outboards & Stern Drives - Prop Guard propeller guard

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Old 31 December 2012, 09:46   #2
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Never tried those particular guards but unless you need a prop guard for a specific purpose, safety boat requirement etc, I wouldn't bother. Prop guards ruin performance and handling.
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On the website, it shows graphs, that says it gives it more power, and keeps top speed at a lower RPM.
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RYA advice on prop guards

http://www.rya.org.uk/sitecollection...d%20policy.pdf

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I dont have one on my engine but zapcats race with them & ive been told they lower the top speed by around 5knts
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I am thinking about buying a Prop Guard for a Honda 15hp outboard
Why ?
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They are all horrible!. No one makes a good one. The plastic ones last 5 min and crack, the round bar type take off to much speed and make the engine drink fuel like its going out of fashion. The best ones are the Propel guards, but they are around the 700 mark and they still break after time. I have spent years and years testing prop guards and never used a good one!
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Unless you are operating near swimmers, what would you need one for?

And, that one you're looking at only avoids radial strikes; anything getting inside the duct (fore or aft) will still be shredded.

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If you are boating in areas with alot of rocks & reefs, you may want to consider a skeg protector rather than a prop guard, and keep a couple of extra props on hand. Also be sure to use aluminum props with rubber bushing hubs so that it is either the hub bushing or a propellor blade that gives way (rather than the gearing) when you have a hard strike.
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On the website, it shows graphs, that says it gives it more power, and keeps top speed at a lower RPM.
OK, think about this for a moment:

(1) If it actually made all boats better all of the time then the engine manufacturers would just build it in to the engine - the cost would be marginal as an OEM designed part. Indeed some suppliers offer a jet leg for this market - but with poorer performance / fuel consumption.

(2) More power out of the same fuel / engine combo is not possible by putting a bottomless bucket around the prop! I've seen it suggested that "ducting" the thrust from the prop could improve performance - but there is very little sideways 'thrust' from an outboard prop at speed.

(3) The only way you could get the same top speed with lower rpm (using the same prop) is if the prop was slipping too much to start with - i.e. using the wrong prop in the first place.

(4) Drag HAS to increase with the added cross sectional area. IIRC drag squares with speed - so the effect of the bucket in the water is 100x as bad at 20 knots as pottering round at 2 knots - which might be a sensible speed (or even too fast) when you have swimmers close by. BUT if you need to get to a casualty quickly, or get them ashore quickly you are going to notice the effect of the guard.

Its been discussed here before but guards make people complacent - training may be more appropriate as a risk control measure.


Now lets look at their test data and see if we can explain why they might "appear" to have got positive results:

(1) A static bolard / pole pull test

This doesn't really represent what most people do with ribs. With a normal prop not moving through the water but spinning at high revs you churn up a lot of air and get 100% slip on the prop. In reality a rib in normal use will get <20% slip, and is moving through constantly 'clean' water. The resulting drag is ignored in their test. If you are using your boat as a very low speed tug to push or pull very large objects this test might be relevant but if you are doing anything where your boat moves it will not be!

(2) Speed test

There is no X-axis on the graph so its meaningless.

The second set of tests - I doubt any of those speed differences are statistically meaningful (i.e. repeat them again and you'd get another set of slightly different results). None show appreciably higher top speed for lower revs as you suggested. It is not clear how the prop was selected, e.g. was it optimal prop for the guard but not ideal for use in the open?

(3) Generally

Noticeable that fuel consumption was not reported.

Noticeable that only sterndrives were tested with their biggest size (16"), and using 230 hp diesel engines... ...not quite the same as a SIB with a 9" version and 20HP petrol outboard...

There is much mention of improved trim control (which I could see is possible) but again that will be of little relevance on a small manually trimmed outboard. These are the type of engines people most often consider fitting prop guards to on here.
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They are crap - encourage complacency and I'd say make boat more dangerous. If an arm gets trapped in a prop guard you have a major problem.

The safest boats will be well maintained and the skipper and crew well trained - no need for a prop guard!
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Old 06 January 2013, 16:06   #12
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Prop guards made a noticeable difference to performance of our three safety boats, and not for the better.

A light, shallow-v Arimar with a 40hp two-stroke took more effort to get on the plane. A 4.8 Ribcraft with the same engine would get there eventually. An Avon SR4 with a Mercury Bigfoot 25hp four-stroke wouldn't at all, unless you were very patient and had a decent run down the waves.

A couple of years of whacking them against pebbles during landing destroyed all three. I don't recall anyone mourning their departure, oddly enough. Even the SR4/Bigfoot combination was just about OK without the guard.
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I've just pulled a boat back with one fitted. I'm not a big fan (as above) but obviously they have their benefits.

May be inclined to remove it for the right price ? Google "Rudder Safe" for more details then PM if interested

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I've just pulled a boat back with one fitted. I'm not a big fan (as above) but obviously they have their benefits.
Surely that's a steering "enhancer", not a prop guard?

"RudderSafe at a glance

RudderSafe is an innovative twin rudder assembly that bolts easily onto the cavitation plate of your outboard or stern drive. The increased rudder area dramatically improves low speed tracking and directional stability. It also provides additional prop protection."
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Surely that's a steering "enhancer", not a prop guard?

"RudderSafe at a glance

RudderSafe is an innovative twin rudder assembly that bolts easily onto the cavitation plate of your outboard or stern drive. The increased rudder area dramatically improves low speed tracking and directional stability. It also provides additional prop protection."
Well bit of both really, I'd still remove it though as I would imagine it would have the reverse affect on high speed handling ?
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Well bit of both really, I'd still remove it though as I would imagine it would have the reverse affect on high speed handling ?
I think that they mean it protects the prop, not bathers

The blurb says that it pivots up and back when on the plane, leaving the prop clear and the "rudders" out of the water.
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It does pivot up, as I said yet to have it on the water to see what it does or doesn't do. Will post back results when we have them

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