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Old 06 May 2013, 17:07   #121
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I wonder if the steering had air in it? some thing caused the occupants to be ejected out rapidly> over compensation maybe? can this happen with Hyd steering that needs bleeding?

makes no odds, kill cord would have saved lives. the victims would have been wet, cold and embarrassed but alive and un-mutilated.
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:07   #122
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This tragedy has really made me think a lot as a relatively new ribster. The fella I bought my first rib off stressed the use of the kill chord but didn't really say where to attach it. I started by attaching it to a buckle on my lifejacket but it was a bit fiddly. Subsequently an instructor told me to wrap it round my leg but I have either killed the engine moving around the boat or it has slipped off.

I have forgotten to attach it at least 5 times over two years just because its a dangly bit of chord. I am not sure how I can make myself remember. I am thinking of attaching some flourescent tape around the clip and attaching it to the console or print myself a big sticker. I am responsible and safety conscious but I just don't find it as normal ad putting a car seat belt on. Hopefully good things will come out of the result of the investigation.
Disconnect the kill cord when your not on the boat, this way you'll have to fit it before you can start the engine, which might give the reminder your looking for to actually wear it at the same time. If you ever forgot to fit it your engine wouldn't start so there's your reminder.

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Old 06 May 2013, 17:07   #123
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This is such a sad story for all concerned and my wishes goes to those who survived, their family and friends

I'm not about to pass a view on the cause or where the fault lies because from my couch I don't know the full facts.

Many years ago someone made an observation to me that if I, as driver, fell out of the boat how would my crew get back to me as the kill cord was attached to me. Since then I always carried a spare kill cord attached to the boat so that my crew could get the boat going again and pick me up!
Ours is attached to a toggle switch. (Optimax) Those remaining on board simply flick it back and start it up. Always do a run through of it and radio at outset for passengers.

What a loss. Awful.
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:10   #124
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This tragedy has really made me think a lot as a relatively new ribster. The fella I bought my first rib off stressed the use of the kill chord but didn't really say where to attach it. I started by attaching it to a buckle on my lifejacket but it was a bit fiddly. Subsequently an instructor told me to wrap it round my leg but I have either killed the engine moving around the boat or it has slipped off.

I have forgotten to attach it at least 5 times over two years just because its a dangly bit of chord. I am not sure how I can make myself remember. I am thinking of attaching some flourescent tape around the clip and attaching it to the console or print myself a big sticker. I am responsible and safety conscious but I just don't find it as normal ad putting a car seat belt on. Hopefully good things will come out of the result of the investigation.
Mine's mostly clipped to the keys if it's not attached to me. It's hard to forget it when you look down and see it attached to the key you're looking for.
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:11   #125
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God knows how many times I've manoeuvred the boat in sheltered waters, without a kill cord, especially if I need to get to bow lines or land on a dock or some such. I'm expecting backlash but wtf, it's the truth.
No, i'm very much the same.... Do i use a KC all the time... No i admit i don't.. Its all about risk assessment , I've learned through a combination of education and experience to recognise when the KC is needed. If im just pootling around at low speed in uncongested sheltered waters then the risk of something going wrong is small enough for me to justify not wearing it.
If however i have passengers and whizzing aling at higher speeds or i'm on my own in adverse weather conditions then yes i clip on.
Why not wear it all the time? Well because i got fed up of accidentally triggering a shutdown on the occasions i have had to help somebody onboard in a hurry ( if they've fallen or about to fall in the water or need assistance in some form or another). Its just one less thing to worry about before going to help.

Im not saying that the way i do it is correct but i feel happy to do it this way.

The difficult bit is recognising the increase in risk.



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I have forgotten to attach it at least 5 times over two years just because its a dangly bit of chord. I am not sure how I can make myself remember. I am thinking of attaching some flourescent tape around the clip and attaching it to the console or print myself a big sticker. I am responsible and safety conscious but I just don't find it as normal ad putting a car seat belt on. Hopefully good things will come out of the result of the investigation.
If you can get in the habit of clipping to wheel or screen then its in your face or needs removed before your start. It still won't guarantee it - but helps to get into the habit. The other 'trick' is to keep it attached to YOU when you get out. Then you have to reconnect to drive.
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:14   #127
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What caused the ejection is almost an irrelevance imv. I'm sure that the facts will be established in time. It's the whole killcord issue which is wrecking my head.
This guy was obviously an intelligent man, why would he endanger those so precious to him by not wearing a KC? A lack of experience,knowledge,training, awareness?
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:18   #128
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the Sun on the link below. There is a mark under the bow on the hull suggesting that it hit something perhaps.

On another look, the mark under the bow may be a lashing strap, hard to tell from the photo.
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:55   #129
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I've beeen foolwing the posts on here and the news today. and this is undoubtably a sad and tragic event. Many of us with families may both be angry and about what "appears" to be an avoidable event, and also be feeling for the family and friends of those involved to whom I offer my condolences - no matter what the reason for the event.

There are a number of questions to be answered including the use - or not - of the kill cord and what event colud have tipped all six onboard into the water, I'm not sure we on this forum have the definitive answer - we don't have all the evidence, so let's leave that to the authorities.

IF we believe that this demonstrates the potential outcome of not using the killcord - then ensure, by whatever means, notice on console, cross check by other crew etc... that the helm (or captain) always wears it. IF this makes anyone question their abilty to handle a craft doing x manoevere with y power available, then consider your competance / experience.

Whatever the final outcome of the enquiries, this has obviously made a lot of people think about potential consequences. If nothing else we should do our best to make sure we as individuals do not allow anything like this to happen on boats we are responsible for
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Old 06 May 2013, 17:56   #130
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If anyone's experienced or seen a boat 'hook' then you'll recognise how easy it is to eject all passengers.

I'm not saying this is what happened here and I think speculation is inappropriate, but it may answer some of the posters asking for an explanation as to how people can get thrown out of boats.
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