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Old 27 September 2016, 12:55   #1
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Radar, AIS, Radar Reflectors - overkill or sensible safety options?

Thinking about some longer trips in 2017 e.g Ireland, IOM, Scillies from Caernarfon and have been considering from a safety perspective what I should be considering....? There have been numerous threads on radar, AIS, echomax (which I already have) for ribs but nothing definitive on the value/order of preference. Just wondering what people's thoughts were on the virtues and value of each or all in any combination?

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I've seen a few radar installations on ribs that, in respect of safety, would be better not there at all.
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Echomax, for the relative cost, silly not to. That said, you would be able to shift out of the way of most vessels likely to run you down.
AIS, (transponder) I rate it very highly, if not for the curiosity value of being able to see the details of the big ships, where they've been, where they're going. CPA is handy when fishing.
Radar, had it on a previous boat, liked it, but can live without it. Handy for CPA, MARPA.
I would put DSC VHF & a PLB above all of the above.


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As Dave says 👍 i have AIS which I think is great also echomax + Epirb and PLBs
I find the AIS very handy if I'm out with Dave who has the same as it means if we get split we still have eyes on each other
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As Dave says 👍 i have AIS which I think is great also echomax + Epirb and PLBs
I find the AIS very handy if I'm out with Dave who has the same as it means if we get split we still have eyes on each other

And 2 good vhf radios
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I find the AIS very handy if I'm out with Dave who has the same as it means if we get split we still have eyes on each other

Must be a Yorkshire thing
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Thinking about some longer trips in 2017 e.g Ireland, IOM, Scillies from Caernarfon and have been considering from a safety perspective what I should be considering....? There have been numerous threads on radar, AIS, echomax (which I already have) for ribs but nothing definitive on the value/order of preference. Just wondering what people's thoughts were on the virtues and value of each or all in any combination?

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Don't think you will make the sillies from Caernarfon, but if your considering the IOM or Ireland give us a shout that's our home base and always up for another trip to either
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Thinking about some longer trips in 2017 e.g Ireland, IOM, Scillies from Caernarfon and have been considering from a safety perspective what I should be considering....? There have been numerous threads on radar, AIS, echomax (which I already have) for ribs but nothing definitive on the value/order of preference. Just wondering what people's thoughts were on the virtues and value of each or all in any combination?

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I was on my usual way from Cuxhaven to Heligoland recently. Left the coast in good visibility. After 1/3 of the distance, still in the mouth of river Elbe, all of a sudden fog with visibility of less than 100 ft. I was more than happy to ride a rib with broadband radar and both AIS receiver and chart plotter. Plus fixed and hh VHF, allowing me to monitor 16 and VTS simultaneously. And magnetic compass and echo sounder.
The remaining 26 nm all in dense fog with even less visibility. In that area with dense traffic, shoals and current a tuff call w/o RADAR. Compass and echo sounder help you to find your way, but not to avoid the 18 kTEU vessel sailing at 22 kn.
If you can afford RADAR, go for it.
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What size rib do you have?

DSC VHF, a good radar reflector, chart plotter, handheld VHF (back up), depth sounder, flares, first aid kit are all good to have.

AIS is very nice to have but perhaps a bit gucci for a small rib, even for a 35' boat unless dealing with constant busy shipping areas or your planning extreme journeys or you just enjoy the sheer entertainment regardless of price.

PLB is also nice to have but should remember they are only to be considered for serious risk/danger/grave risk of life issues. They don't require monthly fee's.

Probably best to get a "Satellite Messenger Device", they are handheld transmitting devices with a gps allowing you to communicate (via satellite) short text messages and/or your location coordinates with friends or family, you can report your tripís status in simple messages or, in an emergency, send calls for help. The "DeLorme inReach SE" gets good reviews. It can also be used as your back up gps if your chart plotter/electrical goes down.

I totally agree with Last Tango's comment above about radar. As grand as they can be, they are simply not the healthiest devices to have on most ribs. They are serious microwaves and also require lots of power and not the most practical on a rib on the go.

It's easy to go overkill with all the safety gizmo's till your rib can barely float and unfortunately at the same time some prats go out without even a life jacket.
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PLB is also nice to have but should remember they are only to be considered for serious risk/danger/grave risk of life issues. They don't require monthly fee's.



Probably best to get a "Satellite Messenger Device", they are handheld transmitting devices with a gps allowing you to communicate (via satellite) short text messages and/or your location coordinates with friends or family, you can report your tripís status in simple messages or, in an emergency, send calls for help. The "DeLorme inReach SE" gets good reviews. It can also be used as your back up gps if your chart plotter/electrical goes down.



I totally agree with Last Tango's comment above about radar. As grand as they can be, they are simply not the healthiest devices to have on most ribs. They are serious microwaves and also require lots of power and not the most practical on a rib on the go.

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Odd that you recommend a satellite messenger over a PLB. If you have VHF, mobile phone then you have "run of the mill" comms covered. A PLB is indeed a "sh1t or bust" device, but surely that's what you need? If it's all going pear shaped I want to send for the cavalry, not start texting a third party & relying on them to send help.

Re radar. Indeed, old tech radar could fry your head, assuming you were close enough, in the transmission plane, had it running continuously. Modern 3&4 G broadband radar is relatively safe.


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