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Old 06 February 2013, 05:51   #61
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Not all boats that break down sink, likewise not all cars that breakdown crash or require rescue, so I fail to see your point there?

Yes Darwin theory works but what about the poor buggers that risk their lives to save those idiots?

Would you be happy to let people wanting to join the Darwin awards on the roads too in cars...maybe hurt one of your family members?

I personally hate red tape, but if it means overall users of waterways are safer then its not strictly a bad idea.

Those that it puts off boating maybe cannot afford / don't have the attitude to be responsible boaters in the first place.

Common sense left the building years ago, replaced by Lawyers that advertise no win no fee that makes government restrictions on certain aspects of our lives necessary.


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Even as someone who would do well out of this the answer is no

Darwins law i.e. stupid people have a right to be stupid and if the die being stupid they will live for ever on a few websites:

all the red tape: yee gods man, my life would be hell, cars dont sink when they break down so can you imagine how may forms we would need to fill in to keep the government happy about what we have done and why it was done and who checked it etc.

what about advisories? how would these work

how many people would it put off boating?

I also feel we have to many rules. what ever happened to common sense and taking responsibility for your actions?

If you want to get your boat checked to any level you can do that today so why force people to do it?

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Old 06 February 2013, 05:56   #62
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Have you guys forgotten our history?

We Brits for ever and ever have always had rights to freely go to sea in whatever we wish with the very minimum of rules and regulations. This is almost written in stone and must never be lost.

The thought of another bunch of Civil Servants policing us and our boats cannot be considered.

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Old 06 February 2013, 06:08   #63
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I personally hate red tape, but if it means overall users of waterways are safer then its not strictly a bad idea.
It isn't the boats that make Waterways unsafe, its the Boaters... Most accidents i have witnessed(or been there to help) have been caused by someone unsensibly ignoring speed limits, depth limits, etc...
I have no idea how that is in Britain, but most of those had a license too..
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OK....He asked the Question...AND Got the Answer!..
Which I reckon was (For Ribnet!) Resounding A....NO!!..NON!!..NEICT!!.. UH..UH!! !! NEGATORY!!.. and for Kerny..NINE!!
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Not all boats that break down sink, likewise not all cars that breakdown crash or require rescue, so I fail to see your point there?

Yes Darwin theory works but what about the poor buggers that risk their lives to save those idiots?

Would you be happy to let people wanting to join the Darwin awards on the roads too in cars...maybe hurt one of your family members?

I personally hate red tape, but if it means overall users of waterways are safer then its not strictly a bad idea.

Those that it puts off boating maybe cannot afford / don't have the attitude to be responsible boaters in the first place.
Its a stupid idea IMO.

1: there is not a huge problem in the first place so there is no real need.
2: the cost and hassle would put people off and the boating population is ageing here so that would just mean even less boaters.
3: Red tape
4: See Peterthelights post.
5: Most accidents are due to human error and not the boats fault so again of the very few problems the percentage that this would help is tiny.
6: There are idiots on the roads and yes Darwin takes a few every year but this again is human error and not the cars that have MOT's so how would forcing MOT's on boats help?
7: you can not force anyone to be sensible


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PS I lost my mum in a car crash by an idiot who won a darwin award oh and he had an MOT
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We better close this thread, the RYA might get wind of it, then we wouldn't be able to fart with out permission first
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OK....He asked the Question...AND Got the Answer!..
Which I reckon was (For Ribnet!) Resounding A....NO!!..NON!!..NEICT!!.. UH..UH!! !! NEGATORY!!.. and for Kerny..NINE!!

Perhaps ze Schweinhund should be sent to Stalag RIBnet for asking das stupid question. Zo!! zen for him zee Red Tape War vuld be over.
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Have you guys forgotten our history?

We Brits for ever and ever have always had rights to freely go to sea in whatever we wish with the very minimum of rules and regulations. This is almost written in stone and must never be lost.

The thought of another bunch of Civil Servants policing us and our boats cannot be considered.

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IMHO I do not care if some idiot puts themselves in danger by going out in a colander. I remember some guy (in a 40 footer) hailing us near the Needles and asking the way to Lymington. I asked to see his chart, he said he only had a tea towel with the Isle of Wight on it! Deservesvwhat he gets.

But I DO mind if the same guy stands me into danger by his stupidity or lack of knowledge.

So I vote for a boating licence that can be taken away if necessasry. I also suggest all fuel bunkers, berthing masters, slip supervisors etc, ask to see the licence.

This would make me safer in exchange for what I think of as a minor inconvenience. You know that most of you guys know most of it anyway, do you think the majority of jet skiers know it, or have even heard of it?

I just cannot comprehend how we allow someone who has never been on a boat before to take out a 40 foot cruiser with 1000 HP into the middle of the Solent on a bank holiday weekend. Be honest, you've all seen him!

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You are we have all seen him. But with a little knowledge it might not be me towing him back
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