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Old 30 January 2014, 15:28   #51
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This was an 8m RIB with 300hp on tap. The killcord would undoubtedly have saved lives, no question. It's disorientating enough to be ejected into the sea, possibly battered and bruised from the initial accident, without having to consider the nightmare scenario of having to swim for your life because the boat you were in is now circling and heading straight for you.

I think something else we need to consider is the horse-power available on this boat. 300hp is a huge amount of power in anyone's book, especially when it's used either by accident or intentionally (but misinterpretating what will happen) the results can be catastrophic.

Anyone get the feeling there needs to be a certain amount of hours completed before someone take ownership of a performance RIB?
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Old 30 January 2014, 15:32   #52
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This was an 8m RIB with 300hp on tap. The killcord would undoubtedly have saved lives, no question. It's disorientating enough to be ejected into the sea, possibly battered and bruised from the initial accident, without having to consider the nightmare scenario of having to swim for your life because the boat you were in is now circling and heading straight for you.

I think something else we need to consider is the horse-power available on this boat. 300hp is a huge amount of power in anyone's book, especially when it's used either by accident or intentionally (but misinterpretating what will happen) the results can be catastrophic.

Anyone get the feeling there needs to be a certain amount of hours completed before someone take ownerships of a performance RIB?
I see your point but it could happen with any size outboard.
Yes 300hp is big and owners need to be aware of how powerful and dangerous things are.
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Part of the problem though is perception
- RIBs are known as safe boats so some owners don't respect them
- learning / boat trials take place in nice weather, so some don't respect the sea
- car engines are reliable and failure rarely affects you significantly, so some don't think through potential issues with marine engines, or see a need for a spare
- folks can swim, so don't consider a need for a life-jacket
- if you let go of the accelerator in a car the car will slow and stop - so some don't see a need for a kill cord
- folks don't understand forces in a boat / drive powerful vehicles before they have the skill / etc.

while we have a system allowing the freedom to just go off in a boat, it is balanced with accidents and deaths - the alternative, a licence as for cars, might save lives, but restrict freedoms - a difficult balance...

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Old 30 January 2014, 15:52   #54
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My final observation is regarding the lack of kill cord use. It appears to be more common with RIB users than other watercraft. The report highlighted several fatal incidents, all RIB related. Perhaps this is more of an issue with the kind of people who use RIBS (with higher consequences due to the type of boat) more than other boats. Just like we all moan at Jet Ski's for driving crazy, speed boats for no life jackets, yachties for everything etc.

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Do you think that's because the vast majority of ribs are open as with other boats if it hooks or the helmsman gets knocked over the cabin or cuddy helps to stop the helmsman going overboard. So you would never know if one was worn or not.
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Do you think that's because the vast majority of ribs are open as with other boats if it hooks or the helmsman gets knocked over the cabin or cuddy helps to stop the helmsman going overboard. So you would never know if one was worn or not.
Yes! Fiberglass boats are usually deeper inside. Maybe sat with the deck level with your shoulder or elbow.

Not your knees as in a rib!
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This was an 8m RIB with 300hp on tap. The killcord would undoubtedly have saved lives, no question. It's disorientating enough to be ejected into the sea, possibly battered and bruised from the initial accident, without having to consider the nightmare scenario of having to swim for your life because the boat you were in is now circling and heading straight for you.

I think something else we need to consider is the horse-power available on this boat. 300hp is a huge amount of power in anyone's book, especially when it's used either by accident or intentionally (but misinterpretating what will happen) the results can be catastrophic.

Anyone get the feeling there needs to be a certain amount of hours completed before someone take ownership of a performance RIB?
And that opens up a whole new can o'worms, that is the slippery slope to registration/licensing/testing/taxation & a nice little earner for someone
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But actually the kill cord should have been the FINAL line of defence. I think sometimes people forget that - a boat design which doesn't flip you out, a helming style/approach which makes it less likely to fall over, well positioned occupants with secure handles etc. are the first line of defence. S**t does happen, and kill cords save lives (as you know well) but simply blaming the kill cord is ignoring several other opportunities to avoid or reduce the risk.
Absolutely - reduce the risk, but your talking about such broad strokes - boat design, helming style, more extensive training. We are enthusiastic about what we do but many of those tootling around on a Summers afternoon are far less detail orientated. They want to get out on the water, with only the basics under consideration, so directing resources at the basics of safe and responsible boating and encouraging the wearing of kill cords seems a much more realistic goal and in this case would have no doubt produced a different and less tragic outcome.
As you say S**t happens. The best handling boat, the most well trained crew, the most well positioned occupants will not mean a thing if your watching your boat prescribe ever decreasing circles around you in the water. Get something fundamental right - kill cords, lifejackets - and aim to get to the point where the psyche of the boating public is that to not use both seems unthinkable.
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And that opens up a whole new can o'worms, that is the slippery slope to registration/licensing/testing/taxation & a nice little earner for someone
mmm... would make a great job for a Council waller P.D.
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The 8m/300hp are actually just numbers. 4m/40hp could just as easily result in a tragic result if poorly handled.
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Anyone get the feeling there needs to be a certain amount of hours completed before someone take ownership of a performance RIB?
Um, no?

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