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Old 01 October 2007, 10:53   #71
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To be honest, I thought the debate had moved on. This isn't simply about should that kid be wearing a lifejacket or pfd. It's about common sense
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Good one Limey linda.!

Problem is, we put a child in a life jacket and tell him "you'll be safe"
THe child needs also to learn that safety involves certain aspect of learning common sense as well as simply putting a life jacket on.
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Sorry to enter this late but having read through it really wound me up!

Codprawn - you have as poor a grasp of numbers as you do common sense! You can't quote absolute numbers and then infer probability. How many people have a bath and swim compared to go out in boats?? I dunno but millions probably compared to thousands! The statistical probability of drowning from boating activity is therefore massively high in comparison.

I dont wear a lifejacket generally - probably wrongly - but then I'm a good swimmer and have made that adult choice. Other adults can make their own choices. I have young kids who are still learning swim and wear jackets. Kids that young HAVE to wear a jacket or, in my opinion, it is massive negligence.

The unexpected is in the nature of boats and a child that age could go in, go under immediately, and not come up, in a matter of seconds. There may not even be a chance to turn round and pull him out - he may never have come up in the first place.

Sorry to bang on but this is an important topic and someone arguing persuasively in such a riduiculous manner that it may be OK could cost a child's life.

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Sorry to enter this late but having read through it really wound me up!

Codprawn - you have as poor a grasp of numbers as you do common sense! You can't quote absolute numbers and then infer probability. How many people have a bath and swim compared to go out in boats?? I dunno but millions probably compared to thousands! The statistical probability of drowning from boating activity is therefore massively high in comparison.

I dont wear a lifejacket generally - probably wrongly - but then I'm a good swimmer and have made that adult choice. Other adults can make their own choices. I have young kids who are still learning swim and wear jackets. Kids that young HAVE to wear a jacket or, in my opinion, it is massive negligence.

The unexpected is in the nature of boats and a child that age could go in, go under immediately, and not come up, in a matter of seconds. There may not even be a chance to turn round and pull him out - he may never have come up in the first place.

Sorry to bang on but this is an important topic and someone arguing persuasively in such a riduiculous manner that it may be OK could cost a child's life.

NICK
I think you are both saying one and the same thing, in that, a fatality could occur potentially in both situations, but, that on the boat, it could happen in a much faster and more chaotic fasion, as the physices and dynamics of the lead up events are a lot less controllable ?


Also, as has been pointed out, regrdless of how good a swimmer you are, you may also succumb to those chaotic events, as they potentially are much more harmful on the boat ... such as hitting your head off the A frame on the way out at 50 mph, versus falling 'into' a bath say.

I think I agree though , as far as a child is concerened, the adults must take the decision that the child will be unaware of the risks, particularly when under way, and particularly when so young... so .. jackets on for me
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Here we are then, the reason why i don't bother with this forum much anymore is because there is too many people that go on like health and safety executives. If somebody isn't wearing a life jacket then thats their problem not yours, some people seem like they have got nothing better to do than pick faults just get on with yer own boating experience and worry yourself only when yu need tu.
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We're talking generally now about whether kids of toddler age should or shouldn't wear life jackets which I think is a perfectly valid topic for discussion.

What would you like to talk about?
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The obvious solution to this dilemma is not to have kids onboard!
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. The obviouse thing to do is to find something else to do with your time other than posting on this worn out thread.
Common sense will prevail, we all hope.
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