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Old 14 January 2004, 12:47   #11
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Old 14 January 2004, 13:28   #12
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Indeed it is 130 for the two days. I am sure we are both of the view that it is uneconomic to run a school at such rates but then the centre looks like a Local Authority centre which can materially alter the economics of it.

If you're based in Scotland they look a good option, suggest you also look at Seatrek Training who are good too

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Old 14 January 2004, 13:37   #13
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looks like a Local Authority centre
You mean one of the centres where you get a Dinghy Instructor teaching your course who just happens to be able to teach Power also. Sorry i shouldn't be so bitter

In my opinion (and experiance at Plas menai) the quality of the advanced courses at general watersports centres are not up to the standards of dedicated powerboating centres. You only have to look at the quality of their boats to see where their prioity's are - normally a new fleet of sailing dinghies, wind surfers and a few old RIBS.
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Old 14 January 2004, 14:00   #14
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Just to wind you up a bit more it happens all over the place , there is a good one in Southampton called SWAC, but they do not have to struggle to keep the centre afloat as the council find everything. they have about 6 Ribs an a zillion dinghies.

It is a great big problem when your competition has no overheads to meet or has to find no return on it's investment, and probably recieves a financial award for every student it has, but if that's the way it is , then you adopt strategies around the problem.

As somebody involved in setting up a power boat centre then it concerns me a lot as it makes it hard to charge premium prices and if you can't do that you can't afford premium facilities.

On the other hand as a boat user the thoght of more people being trained makes me very happy, and if the council doing the training for half the commercial price gets more on the water then so be it.

Your companies major strength is it's Flexibility and enthusism and new equipment, they are your USP's work em and things will be OK.

You are right you can't really learn advanced stuff in a small RIB.
for that matter the RYA advanced course has a rough water section in it. How many schools offer a reverse rain check if the sea isn't very rough during the course, now that's one thing that would swing me to a school.
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Old 14 January 2004, 14:09   #15
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I did my instructor course at SWAC. 1 instructor & 4 pupils, inc me and Graeme cooper (both od us are not on the light side of things), Another guy who was about 8' tall - all in a 4/4.5m with 50hp honda. The boat would not even get out of the hole.
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Old 14 January 2004, 14:19   #16
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So Jono are you saying your qualifications are crap then !!!

good enough for you to go to but no one else

Seems a little odd to me
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To sign someone off at Advanced (and in due course for them to pass the commercial endorsement exam) an Advanced Instructor/Trainer must have confidence that the student is a very capable powerboater and sensible/safety concious with it. If an Advanced Instructor has signed off someone and taught them theoretical twin handling i would be pretty confident that that person faced with a twin engined craft would take the time to get to know the craft and its handling foibles. Even if they stepped straight to the helm then that person will be able to make a pretty good show of themselves even if they've never driven a twin engined installation.

That's my twopennyworth..............

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Very well said. If you're not an advanced powerboater you shouldn't pass, end of story.
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I'm saying the RIBS were rubbish and totally unsuitable for the course being run.

I'm also saying you get a different quality of schools for example you can go to SWAC and do a course run by an experianced WATERSPORTS INSTRUCTOR in a 4m RIB with 50HP that wont go more than 12knots.

or you can come to a DEDICATED POWERBOAT SCHOOL, like my own, Paul Glatzels, David Hickmans, Dave Mallets which is run by experianced POWERBOATERS that are also POWERBOAT INSTRUCTORS in a modern, powerful, quality, practical, range of boats.

Afterall you get what you pay for
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Old 14 January 2004, 15:59   #19
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Couldn't agree more

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The local authority does not run the Millport centre. SportScotland subsidises the centre for teaching watersports as their flagship water facility, think they subsidise Port Edgar on the East coast also but not sure.
As the level of course goes up the subsidy rises as they train instructors, outdoor pursuits teachers, commercial and vocational training etc etc etc.
The facilities are first class, did most of my courses up to Instructor there and they are cheap because of the subsidised rates.
Boats are excellent, I have used various RIB's, a twin inboard workboat about 10m or so, large Yachts and others during the various courses I did there over the last 6 or 7 years. They make a point of getting you to try as many as possible, especially on the advanced and instructor courses.
I would go back if I needed anything, you certainly get far more than you pay for.
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