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Old 26 November 2017, 11:57   #1
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Towing with Ford auto gearbox

Has anyone towed (and launched/retrieved) with a Ford Powershift auto gearbox? The early versions of these gearboxes (2010) had a problem that you couldn't start going gently - and both hardware and software change was introduced.
Before I change my car - any opinions?
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Old 26 November 2017, 14:02   #2
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Personally I prefer manual for towing. Yes auto is easier but the worst thing you'll do to a manual is burn the clutch out which is probably a sub £500 repair maybe more if it's a large or exotic car
Modern auto boxes are very complicated and are not (in my opinion) as robust as autos of years ago if you burst a modern autobox your looking well north of £2k to repair
They go wrong without towing so towing can only increase the load on them and increase the chance of failure.
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Personally I prefer manual for towing.
The "problem" here is that more and more manufacturers are making only auto boxes with bigger engines, the manuals can't take the torque of bigger engines. 210BHP Ford diesel only comes with an auto gearbox (which is why I'm asking about Powershift), same with most other makes.

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burn the clutch out which is probably a sub £500 repair maybe more if it's a large or exotic car
Don't even get me started, £900 ;-(

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Modern auto boxes are very complicated and are not (in my opinion) as robust as autos of years ago if you burst a modern autobox your looking well north of £2k to repair
They go wrong without towing so towing can only increase the load on them and increase the chance of failure.
Yes, but there's less and less choice of manual boxes. Merc doesn't make manuals anymore. If I could only find well-priced 4Matic E350 ;-)
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I had a pair of 210hp ford Mondeos and both were manuals, they were 2014 titanium x sports diesels exactly. Great looking but as reliable as a land rover at best.

My dad has had about 8 Ford's in last 8 years or so, including powershift. Towed his 1400kg caravan okay in a 130 kuga.

What model is it exactly as I probably have driven one or towed with it if a Mondeo or kuga.

A proper auto is magic for towing, i won't be going back. Finding a proper auto is difficult though as you say.

ask last tango about his Merc 4matic...£££££££££££

Just for balance, my last manual was due a clutch as it struggled with my boat on steep slips, was 1200 quid to get a clutch and flywheel done so I chopped it in.
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I had a pair of 210hp ford Mondeos and both were manuals, they were 2014 titanium x sports diesels exactly. Great looking but as reliable as a land rover at best.
My Mondeo went almost to the moon -165k miles. I only added fuel, oil, brakes and one clutch change. it's time to change it...

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Towed his 1400kg caravan okay in a 130 kuga.
Wife's 163 Kuga (manual) is almost OK for towing. Could do with a bit more torque, especially when going to Europe.

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What model is it exactly as I probably have driven one or towed with it if a Mondeo or kuga.
210hp Edge, so fairly new (and big ;-) ). Those only come with Powershift. A friend has a Powershift Mondeo and it's impossible to start driving gently - but I know there's been a change in the gearbox design.

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A proper auto is magic for towing, i won't be going back. Finding a proper auto is difficult though as you say.
Hear, hear! In the good old days where there was no family to take care of the "disposable" part of income, I've had an E300 auto. I hardly noticed that I was towing a 2T boat+trailer, it was also brilliant on slipways due to old-fashioned torque converter. Part of the problem is that apart from an occasional rental car, I don't really have any experience with modern dual-clutch gearboxes, for the last 15 years I've only had manuals.

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ask last tango about his Merc 4matic...£££££££££££
Will do some searches. I heard that ML likes garages...

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Just for balance, my last manual was due a clutch as it struggled with my boat on steep slips, was 1200 quid to get a clutch and flywheel done so I chopped it in.
It will be injectors in mine. it's time to start looking, I want the chop on my terms.
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funnily enough, i have a run about mondeo for work and it needs injectors (it is very common on ford diesels as you probably know) at nearly a grand it isn't getting them!. although PFjones sell refrub ones for about £120 each i think if you trade in your old ones. mines only has 111k on it but it is knackered to be fair, needs injectors, EGR, DMF is clicking too. if i didn't get it for chump change (2008 car) i wouldn't have bought it. vauxhall diesels are much better imo, had 7 vectras/insignias in a row, very little ever went wrong....anyways, i digress.

i agree with the kuga torque comment, my 210hp mondeos weren't much better. i've driven most diesels ford make in last 10 years, not been really impressed by any of them torque wise.

not driven the edge and my dad moved away from ford recently due to horrific depreciation on his kugas, he bought 5 of them in a row (2 mondeos and a focus before those) but he lost 13 grand in 28 months on his last titanium x sport kuga. they tried to get him into the edge but they were discounting them below kuga prices when they just came out so he figured not going there and bought an xtrail (1.6 dci is brilliant btw, i was amazed at torque it has). 13k depreciation in 28 months is nearly range rover PCP money!

have you considered the xc60? can get them with a proper auto and similar money to the edge.
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The "problem" here is that more and more manufacturers are making only auto boxes with bigger engines, the manuals can't take the torque of bigger engines. 210BHP Ford diesel only comes with an auto gearbox (which is why I'm asking about Powershift), same with most other makes.


Don't even get me started, £900 ;-(


Yes, but there's less and less choice of manual boxes. Merc doesn't make manuals anymore. If I could only find well-priced 4Matic E350 ;-)
You don't really need the 210bhp the 180 will be fine which can be manual
Let's face it a few years ago we all towed with a lot less bhp than 180
I guess it depends how long you will keep the car and how many miles you will do I'd rather budget for a clutch than an autobox
There also better on fuel so you save over the life of the car
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have you considered the xc60? can get them with a proper auto and similar money to the edge.
I've been driven in the previous generatoin XC60 (2011, maybe 2012) and there wasn't a lot of space. Didn't compare to Mondeo on the inside. I like the internal space, it's super-handy when we're going for longer hols.
The new one with the touch screen instead of buttons - I could live with that ;-) but it would probably have to be XC90, so a bit expensive.

What do you mean by "proper auto"? Is that an old fashion box with torque converter, or a well-made and well-tuned sequential?
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torque converter to me is proper auto, great for towing.

i don't know what the new xc60 has gearbox wise. the previous model has the same geartrain as my current bus.

i have an xc90 now as i need the internal space for my planes, these things don't fit in much so i hear your internal space concern. (why i had the mondeo estates before but juice wasn't worth the squeeze)

here is piccy of my medium size one, the big one JUST fits in the xc90 with rudder and nosecone off it. the cowl on the big one nearly hits the roof of the car.

i also have the urge for a new xc90, best looking thing on road IMO. in my case though be a waste of money, this 2012 xc90 has done 4000 miles in about 20 months as i only use it for towing mainly
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IMO you canít beat a torque converter auto on a big diesel just make sure itís got a good oil cooler and if itís sealed for life oil get it changed around 70 K.
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