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Old 24 June 2004, 18:23   #121
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Old 24 June 2004, 18:41   #122
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I thought the Rover V8 was originally a Buick V8 that they brought under licence for the first Rangerovers circa 1970.... back to America again...
I once heard that the Buick V8 was in fact stolen from the Germans when the USA "liberated" Bavaria at the end of WW2. None were made but some enterprising Yank picked up a bundle of drawings and took them home with him.
So make that Germany again..........

Great engine. I have 11 litres of them in or around the garage.
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Old 24 June 2004, 18:44   #123
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Tow Car

Personally I would have thought that yes your car would be a very good towing vehicle. Only because it has a large Diesel engine.

But Towing depends on car weight as far as the law is concerned and that is what you need to check for the road. And I mean road. I would have thought that the most powerful car in the world might have problems on a slipway.

Wet, Slippy, possibly covered in shale or sand or might even be on to sand. No car stands a chance only a 4 X 4. Thats why I say tow with caution and when launching see if you can get a 4 X 4 to help you or some kind chap in a tractor.

Its not very often I have to use 4 wheel drive with my little rig but I do on some occasions and I'm mighty glad I have it when I need it.

Most of the time 2 WD vehicles are okay but hey do have problems.

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Old 24 June 2004, 18:45   #124
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I believe BMW developed the new Rangie. And yes the TD6 diesel engine is the same as the BMW 3.0d engine as found in the 330d, 530d, 730d and X5.
However, I think the Rangies verion is in a lower state of tune - 184bhp I think whereas the Beemers now have over 200 out of the same engine.
Bloody hell, I turn on the footie for a couple of hours and all hell's been let loose on the thread! Right, back to my favourite subject.....
ADS - New RR's common-rail turbodiesel TD6 is indeed the BMW 2926cc, 24-valve straight six with 174bhp and 288lb ft torque. Peak torque developed at 2000rpm and peak power at 4000rpm.

Petrol version is BMW V8 4398cc, 32-valve, with 282bhp at 5400rpm. Torque is 325lb ft at 3600rpm. Top speed is 130mph, although I've seen 135mph 'on the clock' on a German autobahn and impressively solid as a rock.

The Range Rover BMW engines differ from those used in BMW cars by virtue of extensive revisions to the oil system (so it works on a 1:1 slope!), to the oil seals and cam-drive pulleys to avoid ingress of mud/general crap etc. and to the cooling system so it works in the desert!

V8 petrol RR uses ZF transmissions, TD6 uses GM.

Development of new RR under BMW was so far advanced when they sold Land Rover that a change in engine spec was out of the question. Part of the deal was that supply of BMW engines would be unaffected.

Can I get on with my life now please?

ps. I thought this was a RIB forum??!!

pps. DGR - were we severely robbed by that Swiss ref or what? Boycott Toblerone I say.
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Old 24 June 2004, 18:52   #125
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Whilst you chaps are all on about Land Rovers, I spent many years driving these beasts off road and on road in the 80s and 90s and they were crap.

Granted they were MK III s and petrol wagons. Their off road capabilities were good if not excellent, but they just broke down all the time. All engine problems, nothing else.

I hope the new ones have improved. I must admit I remember when the British army got the new Defender at the back of the eighties. Every single Land Rover was put off the road for months due to oil problems. Engines just kept destroying themselves.

Every Dip Stick had to be remarked, and a hell of a financial battle was thought with Land Rover.

I personally like Land Rovers because of their strong durable bodies but I think their engines suck. Maybe BMWS have sorted them.

Its worthy of note that in the Middle east and Australia the Jap 4 X 4s rule supreme.

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If I won the Lottery tomorrow I would buy a top of the Range, Range Rover.
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Old 24 June 2004, 18:57   #126
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If I won the Lottery tomorrow I would buy a top of the Range, Range Rover.
Nah! Top of the range Scorpion!

(Desperately trying to remind you all what you SHOULD be discussing!! )

(And running for cover, now.... )
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Old 24 June 2004, 19:09   #127
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I personally like Land Rovers because of their strong durable bodies but I think their engines suck. Maybe BMWS have sorted them.

Its worthy of note that in the Middle east and Australia the Jap 4 X 4s rule supreme.

PS.

If I won the Lottery tomorrow I would buy a top of the Range, Range Rover.
I know two people who have bought new Discovery TD5's in the last three years. Both of them have had to have new engines fitted in under 10,000 miles

Yes, it's a frequently quoted case of Jap 4x4's in Australia and certain other markets where previously Land Rover dominated, but it should be remembered that in many cases Toyota and Nissan were able to flood these markets with cheap cars due to favourable Yen exchange rates. Having said that, favourable reliability records compared to LR have undoubtedly enabled them to maintain their presence.

If I won the lottery tomorrow, I would buy a Lamborghini Murcielago - Italian design flair coupled with Audi engineering
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Old 24 June 2004, 19:30   #128
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All you guys are obviously far richer than me when choosing 4X4 transport, but what would you recommend sub £3000 for a tow tug as in the market for one?
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I hate to say it but go for a jap import.

I paid tons for my 4 X 4 and I'm scared to take it in the salt water.

Buy a cheap Jap Import and don't worry about the salt water. Just make sure you keep it serviced.

My mate has a 12 year old Toyota Hilux Surf and its still pasing its MOT despite being in the sea at least twice a week.
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Was looking at those, but wow don't 4x4's hold their value and something inside tells me that £3000 for a 15 year old car is just too dam expensive. I was also looking at Fonterra's, Terrano's or may be a 4x4 car such as a Seirra or Cavalier.
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