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Old 07 April 2012, 04:44   #31
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Like yams an others it depends on what service and range from 50.00 to around 200 inc vat for a 90Hp which for commercial users they would claim back i.e before vat 40-160.00.

yams and Honda which are by far the majority of commercial engines also have a list of what should be done, must be replaced and what should be checked and replaced as required.

I think Suzuki are the same but we are not authorised for these and dont see many so this is a guess and should not be taken as fact.

There are also a few other factors for engines that are in locations where it would take any dealer days to get to i.e. some of the remote Scottish islands where Honda have been know to hep in other ways.

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Old 07 April 2012, 05:35   #32
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You dont need a 200 hour service, so you now want to waste more of my time quoting for something you dont need.

I give up, I offered to help and all you want to do is waste our time please.

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Dave, whilst I think you are trying to help, you are coming across as a little belligerent. Not sure if there is a pact amongst Honda dealers that stops you saying; I think you need abc every how many hours, and it will cost you xyz ;-)

I just had a quick look at a random honda90 manual online and there are services advised every 100, 200 and 400 hrs. It looks like there are no parts changes (unless necessary) at 200 hrs, only oil change (not filters though?) and even at 400 hrs that manual implies a mechanically competent owner can do the service themselves, with the right tools and parts.

If that's right and you either save adi thousands (or help him discover he is still warranted DIY-ing) and/or that Honda full services are 4x less frequent than some other brands etc, I'd have thought you would have done a great service to Honda and improved your reputation on rib.net (and amongst adi's fisherfolk contacts) but simply repeating that he is wrong and to call you to sell the engines is getting dull.
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You dont need a 200 hour service, so you now want to waste more of my time quoting for something you dont need.

I give up, I offered to help and all you want to do is waste our time please.

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Dave, whilst I think you are trying to help, you are coming across as a little belligerent. Not sure if there is a pact amongst Honda dealers that stops you saying; I think you need abc every how many hours, and it will cost you xyz ;-)

I just had a quick look at a random honda90 manual online and there are services advised every 100, 200 and 400 hrs. It looks like there are no parts changes (unless necessary) at 200 hrs, only oil change (not filters though?) and even at 400 hrs that manual implies a mechanically competent owner can do the service themselves, with the right tools and parts.

If that's right and you either save adi thousands (or help him discover he is still warranted DIY-ing) and/or that Honda full services are 4x less frequent than some other brands etc, I'd have thought you would have done a great service to Honda and improved your reputation on rib.net (and amongst adi's fisherfolk contacts) but simply repeating that he is wrong and to call you to sell the engines is getting dull.
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Old 07 April 2012, 07:10   #34
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Well said Neil. Ado has helped many on here me included

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Old 07 April 2012, 09:47   #35
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When it comes to outboard engine dealers and servicing I have used a few for various engines.

Apart from Race Marine all of them were fecking useless.

I have just had the Honda serviced at Tony Hole in Plymouth and after spending 560 for a standard service without an impellor change I have just spent the morning looking into something that another dealer suggested may be causing us problems with performance and fuel consumption.

I then find that I have two major issues. The air box butterfly valves were completely siezed (as suggested by John at C-Power) this means that at 4000rpm these valves remained closed whereas they should open to allow better airflow into the engine. This is an extremely simple thing to check and can be done without even having to remove the covers, it then only took me 20 mins to free up the valves and linkage.

Then Whilst I had the covers off I ran up the engine to make sure all was good and it was at this point that I noticed a significant fuel leak. I followed the leak to a filter housing which had not been screwed on properly (screws were finger tight) and the o-ring was damaged and looked like it had not been replaced when they did the filter.

So this means that on our trip to Falmouth a couple of weeks back we were pissing fuel out the whole way there and back and were lucky not to have a fire !

I am not saying Clyde are no good what I am saying is that most of the outboard dealers in the UK are robbing bastards who endager peoples lives through poor quality, shoddy workmanship.

Get the manuals out and do it yourself, it's really not that difficult.
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This is what I was greeted with when I ran the engine. For the video I just turned the ignition on and as you can see when the electric fuel pump kicks in what is happening....

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...what I am saying is that most of the outboard dealers in the UK are robbing bastards who endager peoples lives through poor quality, shoddy workmanship.
Did you speak to Tony Hole Marine regards the fuel filter? That kind of stuff is fairly basic, and the 'o' ring should have been replaced as a matter of course.

Reminded me years back when I put a Vauxhall Astra in to be serviced and found that there was still a mechanic's workshop ratchet attached to the underside of the car!

That's when I decided to service my own cars and outboards.
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Reminded me years back when I put a Vauxhall Astra in to be serviced and found that there was still a mechanic's workshop ratchet attached to the underside of the car!

That's when I decided to service my own cars and outboards.
At least that shows he did something to the car
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I am looking at a ribcraft rib 6.5 m in length that is equipped with a 90hp four stroke Honda engine and I am just wondering if anyone knows much information on this type and size of engines
Dont buy it .... that engine will be killed by that hull of that I am certain

I had one on a 5.7 Valliant, and it wasnt enough grunt for that ! (which wasnt such a deep v as the ribcraft and the deeper the v the more power you require). Sure it will get you across the bay ok if thats all you want it for, but if you want your RIB to handle right in most weather and sea, its way too small. Its because its a particularly gutless 4 stroke IMO. On the upside your fuel bills wont be so bad. Others will have their opinion, but that hull would closer with a 175
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