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Old 19 November 2010, 17:43   #11
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Some WAFI's are actually very good sailors ... never make any mistake about it when under scruitiny .. some act like tits .. but some demonstrate seamanship, that many of us would do well to recognise.. the trouble is .. finding the fekkas
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Old 19 November 2010, 23:43   #12
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Some WAFI's are actually very good sailors ... never make any mistake about it when under scruitiny .. some act like tits .. but some demonstrate seamanship, that many of us would do well to recognise.. the trouble is .. finding the fekkas
Same as with car drivers-you only notice the bad ones.
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Similar scenario with onshore winds but battling against tide/current. Fast-forward to 2.25. Not sure if engine was swamped, but it was making little headway.

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The catamaran style
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Very stupid and lucky

This is not skill or good seamanship.

the boat totally looses steerage more than once.

Could just have easily have ended a lot worse and the conclusion would have been that they should never have attempted the entry in the prevailing conditions.
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Me thinks they were lucky .
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This is not skill or good seamanship.

the boat totally looses steerage more than once.

Could just have easily have ended a lot worse and the conclusion would have been that they should never have attempted the entry in the prevailing conditions.

in either clip, In Principle i agree, however its very easy to be an armchair quaterback, how do we know that the wind was building from there, and it was not the only safe harbour for miles (first clip looks to be a lee shore to me, do you fancy anchoring off in those conditions)?

So many people are quick to judge with only snippits of info, yes in an ideal world I am sure the skipper would have not done it, however, unless he went out knowing how bad it was on his return its not fair to judge him.
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.......how do we know that the wind was building from there, and it was not the only safe harbour for miles......
That is my point- this was NOT a safe harbour- he put the yacht and crew in unacceptable danger by making that entry. Not skillful, but stupid

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(first clip looks to be a lee shore to me, do you fancy anchoring off in those conditions)?
I am not suggesting that anchoring off is a suitable alternative.

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......its very easy to be an armchair quaterback.............. many people are quick to judge with only snippits of info....
I believe the harbour in question is Svaneke, on the NE corner of Bornholm, an Island in roughly the middle of the Baltic Sea belonging to Denmark. If so then there are plenty other harbours a few hours sailing away (i.e. the other side of the Island). Although on the complete opposite West coast, Ronne the capital of the Island would have been a downwind sail, would have been sheltered and has a much wider gap in a much better breakwater.

If i am wrong and its another port then it still does not change the fact that entering the harbour was madness. In that situation an experienced skipper would have sailed offshore and either head for another coastline, better harbour or waited out the weather.
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Not faulting your logic Doug, and your knowledge of the area is better then mine, but my point still stands.

We don't have all the info, we only have what we can see, and what we think we know.

Only once we have all the available info can we truly make a valid judgement.
I am sure that we have all made decisions other people would question if they saw only a small snip-it of the info.
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There is so much 'information' in this clip, that you really don't need any more to realise that this was a reckless bit of seamanship that highlighted the skills of the helmsperson.
The two things are not mutually exclusive!

Good seamanship is about understanding your options and choosing the best one.
There where many options. The one shown in the clip should be one of the last, on any experienced skippers (not helmsmans) list!

It occurred to me that the owner of any relatively new 40 ft yacht would not put their vessel, no less their crew, in such a perilous situation (they even kept someone on the bow for goodness sake!)

I suspected it, but now I know.............If you type CEDAR POL 9790 into google, you might find another reason why the 'skipper' might have made the decision to enter in such conditions. After all, he may only have had his and his 'friends' life to loose!
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