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Old 07 November 2005, 14:27   #11
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Wasn't there a cylinder head problem with Surf's?
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Old 07 November 2005, 14:28   #12
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Yes the 3L goes like stink....
Especially if you get a new chip for the engine from what I've been told! Can improve economy too!
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I've been looking at the Mitsubishi Delica as a Tow MPV'ish vehical. Not badly priced and based on the shogun/Pajero I think. Looks cool and seats 7/8, has 4x4 and a 2.8 TD 4 cylinder engine. Check them out on Ebay Jim, not sure about extreme offroad ability though but check out :http://www.mdocuk.co.uk/forums/
Yeah, they look ok. Not sure they've got quite the 'image' I'm after, they look a little soccer mum!

Interesting concept with the MPV 4x4, being a Mitsu should be relatively reliable.

Where are Isuzus made? Are they the same as Vauxhall Montereys? Any Plus's on the Vauxhall?
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Old 07 November 2005, 14:31   #14
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Yes, they are expensive, I'll agree with you there! Seen some bargains on eBay, but most are waaay out of my hoped for budget (5kish), and one would be even harder to find for me, as I want a manual, and those are seriously rare!

I've driven Rogue Wave's son's Surf, and I liked it a lot better than the kia, but was warned about the back end. Also, surfs don't have 7 seats.

That said, they are massive, and apparently reliable.
I drive a Lotus Bighorn (import Trooper with Lotus designed suspension package) having had Shogun, Pajero, Disco, Landie and Toyota in the past. Low mileage LWB's (30-50K kilometres) around 10-12 years old fetch between 4K-5K around here. Best 4X4 for all round use (IMHO) - 7 seats, loads of room, as big as a Rangie, 3.1 TD diesel version 24-28mpg. Fully loaded with all extras, some with leather. Tows brilliantly cos it's a heavyweight at over 2 tons (has a pukka chassis). Not the fastest by a long way but 95 models have over 130 hp. Against: old tech motors with mech diesel pumps. No ECU (except on auto g/box) but it means you can do any work yourself. Do avoid the later 3.0 litre versions of Troopers as they have a long history of engine problems with the Caterpillar designed motor (still a cracking 4X4 though if all campaign work done).Avoid the gas 3.5 litre V6 - goes like sh*t but is thirsty as hell. Stick to the 3.1 and you won't go wrong. As previous poster says, the 2.4 Toyota Surf is a pick-up truck with a saloon body on and drives like it. Motor is underpowered and tends to overheat. Just my opinion and I hope it helps. Isuzu Bighorn/Trooper is the best motor I have owned for years.
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Wasn't there a cylinder head problem with Surf's?
Only on the 2.4 Diesels. The 3ltr is pretty sound, but has a tendancy for the radiator top tank to leak. Something to do with the metal used gets small pin pricks which link up and make a hole. Mine had a leak when I bought it but a new Top tank and its been fine since.

The 3ltr goes well, but fuel consuption isn't that good. I get about 23mpg around town and around 28mpg on a run. But reliability wise I have had mine for 9 months now and not had a single problem with anything. Goes well off road too .
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Fistly Jimbo you always struck me as the convertible mini type (or sum other hairdressers car)

I have a Patrol and a 110 both old and I've owned a Disco and a trooper. and currently drive a Surf. So which car do I like the most .....Thats easy a Land Cruiser

Seriously though unless you are towing big big stuff the a Patrol or cruiser isn't needed.

Surf 3.0 are juicy but cool and the trooper is my favourite!
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Toyota s advertising slogan in Australia was about your life depending on it,so drive Toyota.

In a country where most drives outside of city areas are pure offroad and tracks, you would be hard pushed to find a Landy,
Toyotas are everywhere, especially the Surf

What about the Taliban they loved them, and did you see the Jermery Clarkson sinking, and burning of the Hilux

What does this tell you
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Where are Isuzus made? Are they the same as Vauxhall Montereys? Any Plus's on the Vauxhall?
RE-Badged Trooper = 'xactly same mechanically but maybe even better trim and tend to be a bit cheaper. You could pick up a bargain....

Isuzu's are made in Japan (!) in a factory (!) situated on the River Isuzu (!) which gives the brand it's name....

Oh by the way, you can also see same vehicle badged as a Honda Horizon (!)

uh, goodbye now....
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Fistly Jimbo you always struck me as the convertible mini type (or sum other hairdressers car)

I have a Patrol and a 110 both old and I've owned a Disco and a trooper. and currently drive a Surf. So which car do I like the most .....Thats easy a Land Cruiser

Seriously though unless you are towing big big stuff the a Patrol or cruiser isn't needed.

Surf 3.0 are juicy but cool and the trooper is my favourite!
You aren't nice sometimes! My first car was indeed a mini, although it wasn't a convertable, and it was an old skool one. I'm not sure I like the hairdresser reference, think I might be inclined to come back with a comment about wales and sheep, no, I'll leave that

Ok, Land Cruisers are waaay out of my league, and you don't reckon I need a patrol, which is good cos I can't afford one, but you like the trooper, which is cool, cos I think I want one!

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RE-Badged Trooper = 'xactly same mechanically but maybe even better trim and tend to be a bit cheaper. You could pick up a bargain....

Isuzu's are made in Japan (!) in a factory (!) situated on the River Isuzu (!) which gives the brand it's name....

Oh by the way, you can also see same vehicle badged as a Honda Horizon (!)

uh, goodbye now....
Ok, I'll also look at Vauxhall, although having continually slated his Vectra, I'll never be able to look my Dad in the eye again

Cheers for all your info!
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I used to have a Cavalier SRI and an Astra GTE before I settled down into the boring wan--r I am nowadays and those babies flew and held the road well, i hammered them and they lasted the course well!

You only had a pop at yu Dadas vectra cos you were influenced by that Ponse Clarkson
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