The right way or the wrong?

Brian · 03 November 2016, 14:27

Could someone please clarify the section of this video that deals with my entrance to Arglass Marina?

The video is at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkACUZMEQuw

On entrance to the marina (at about 1 min 5 secs) I pass a cardinal and red and green buoys. Same on the way out at 2 min. 35 secs.
On entry I am going from east to west and vice versa on departure.

My question is is either entry or exit correct? (ignore the videos caption-it is (probably) wrong!).

willk · 03 November 2016, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Brian

My question is is either entry or exit correct? (ignore the videos caption-it is (probably) wrong!).

Hey - any landing you walk away from is a good one...

jambo · 03 November 2016, 16:23

Hi Brian I would say you were right on entry but wrong on exit as it was an East mark so you were on the west side of the mark

willk · 03 November 2016, 16:38

It's warning you about the danger of entering Ardglass...

"Forsake all hope who enter here!"

Stuart1975 · 03 November 2016, 16:50

I think wrong on way in if you are going east to west on the way in the east mark is on the east of the danger so on way in you went to the west of the mark so over it !!??.

On way out you stayed east of the mark so were fine .

jambo · 03 November 2016, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Stuart1975

I think wrong on way in if you are going east to west on the way in the east mark is on the east of the danger so on way in you went to the west of the mark so over it !!??.

On way out you stayed east of the mark so were fine .

On further reflection looking at Brian's path I will agree with you. But probably think Willk is right to confusing.

Last Tango · 03 November 2016, 17:07

Stopped in on my way home from Dublin.
Very confusing harbour entrance

jambo · 03 November 2016, 17:37

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

Stopped in on my way home from Dublin.
Very confusing harbour entrance

Agreed. The more I look at Brian's vid the more confused I get you would think they would put extra channel markers down to guide you round the obstruction.

jeffstevens763@g · 03 November 2016, 18:37

Agree with Stuart over obstruction going in OK going out see anything on the sounder Going in?

willk · 03 November 2016, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Stuart1975

I think wrong on way in if you are going east to west on the way in the east mark is on the east of the danger so on way in you went to the west of the mark so over it !!??.

On way out you stayed east of the mark so were fine .

If Brian's info is correct (his route was East-West-East) then he passed to the South and North of an East Cardinal Mark. The hazard should be located to the west of the cardinal buoy (signifying safe water to the East). In what seems to be a port entrance it's a bit confusing but I'm sure the chart would clarify things? In a port I'd expect a Special Mark or a perch on a thing like that.

GuyC · 03 November 2016, 21:41

Looking at Visit My Harbour, the chart doesn't include all the navigation marks in the harbour but it does say that the marks should be followed "religiously".

I always have a moment of doubt when approaching a cardinal - do I keep the mark to the east or do I go to the east of the mark?

In a channel you go to starboard of the port markers (on the way in) but with cardinals you go east of the east markers.

Last Tango · 03 November 2016, 22:44

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Originally Posted by willk

I'm sure the chart would clarify things?

Actually it doesn't.
From memory the issue was more to do with which hazard the cardinal marker was actually for. From memory it appeared to cover the less significant hazard tempting you towards the more significant one.
The chart shows a South cardinal that's not a lot of help when it relates to rocks you have to pass North of. It's function is plainly for navigation into the old harbour but is not a lot of help if you're heading for the marina.

C-NUMB · 03 November 2016, 23:04

If the going in was from east to west, imho wrong in and right out. But a tricky place anyway....If in doubt i try to do the passage as close as possible to the mark/buoy typically there is some safe water between.

jwalker · 04 November 2016, 18:51

Judging by the position of the sun, Brian was travelling inward from SE so should have passed on the right-hand side of the cardinal mark inward (the cardinal to port side) but was correct when exiting.

But I've learned something too - thank you willk - a south cardinal has 7 flashes, I'd be looking for 6!

RobinB · 05 November 2016, 01:22

Very lucky it was full tide or you would have lost your prop/ leg as you passed to the left of the cardinal. It is very shallow at low tide. I agree that the markings are very confusing at this marina. Red and green markings would be much more helpful.

jeffstevens763@g · 05 November 2016, 10:35

If I was unsure I would keep close to the buoy thier laid away from the obstruction on shallow drive and sounder alarm set

jambo · 05 November 2016, 10:56

Funny when you look at Ardglass on Navionics mobile charts there's no east mark only a south mark with scattered special marks and buoyed channel to marina. So that would further confuse things if you were unfamiliar with harbour.

jeffstevens763@g · 05 November 2016, 16:54

Sounding weight and someone in the crows nest it is then Billy

Xk59D · 05 November 2016, 17:54

A guy in my place few weeks back, The boat sunk when it refloated unfortunately.

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jambo · 05 November 2016, 18:03

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

Sounding weight and someone in the crows nest it is then Billy

I think I would give it miss and go to next port[emoji106]