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LeewayComposite · 26 April 2006, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Gav

no no no jonny, you got it all wrong, its a Leeway 8.3, he said so earlier in this thread! Doh what you like eh!!??

SORRY TO SPELL THIS OUT BUT........

A pant-um 25 is a hard top ex race boat, the leeway 8.3 is a R.I.B ..

i know you monkeys dont like ribs so why you on here? or is it the fact that someone is making better boats than you?? do i come over and look at your boats you make and slag you off?? maybe i should return the favoir?? you must have to much time on your hands gav??

xpertski · 26 April 2006, 13:16

the way i see it is that although there may be an issue over splashing ribs, which if done is wrong, im not necessarily saying it has been in this case, but this thread was opened by someone wishing to ask about the 'boats qualities', such as sea handling, built quality etc from people who know about the boats, eg have bought one.

surely i think this discussion has happened many times without anyone willing to concede defeat, and so doesnt benefit anyone! i cant remember where it was said, but someone on this thread said that if there is a case to answer for, the aggreived parties are in their right to contest it legally where leeway would have to provide evidence of originality, however, if that is not the case and noonewishes to contest, he doesnt have to...........lol please bear in mind im on the side lines to this 'discussion' but have been following it! i do agree that splashing is entirely wrong, and that is totally unfair on those who take the time and money to design such boats, do think here there may be a case for an "innocent til proven guilty" stance

however im sure the person who strated this thread would appreciate some feedback on the ribs themselves! all the best everyone!

ADS · 26 April 2006, 13:28

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Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

nice...

by the way you need a plug to make a mould, as we have a few moulds around there must have been a plug of some discription....

opps, don't know my boat building, best stick to geography essays

Jonny Fuller · 26 April 2006, 16:32

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Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

Pant um 25. do you meen one of the many boats we get in for repair or painting for customers??

i have had many makes and modles of all sorts in, for all sorts of jobs. We do more than just make ribs.

OK, so to re-cap, are you denying categorically and placing in black and white on this forum, that you took a mould off a Phantom 25 running surface at your workshop? (careful now Lee!)

Gav · 26 April 2006, 17:25

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Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

SORRY TO SPELL THIS OUT BUT........

A pant-um 25 is a hard top ex race boat, the leeway 8.3 is a R.I.B ..

i know you monkeys dont like ribs so why you on here? or is it the fact that someone is making better boats than you?? do i come over and look at your boats you make and slag you off?? maybe i should return the favoir?? you must have to much time on your hands gav??

ha lol! Your more than welcome to come and veiw/inspect/ my mere humble hard boatmoulds/boats/industrial mouldings.

Like i said before you could clear up all this bollix, simply by showing off your plugs that you have made so many of! You started this lot by posting your claims of building your own plugs from scratch from your own cad drawings, yet when people question the integrity of your claims you change your story to using 2 hardboats! and so on and so on........

In all this, not once have i seen or heard anyone come to your defence and catagorically state that they have seen any hull plugs you have built from scratch??

your vagueness says it all!

look forward to seeing your 8.3m rib, of course i'm sure it wont resemble a P25 running surface.... geez that'd be well freaky!

LeewayComposite · 27 April 2006, 06:53

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Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller

OK, so to re-cap, are you denying categorically and placing in black and white on this forum, that you took a mould off a Phantom 25 running surface at your workshop? (careful now Lee!)

i am 100% i have not taken a direct mould off of any boat........

LeewayComposite · 27 April 2006, 07:10

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Originally Posted by Gav

ha lol! Your more than welcome to come and veiw/inspect/ my mere humble hard boatmoulds/boats/industrial mouldings.

i would love to return the favour but due to being to busy i have to refuse. shame your not to busy.

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Originally Posted by Gav

Like i said before you could clear up all this bollix, simply by showing off your plugs that you have made so many of! You started this lot by posting your claims of building your own plugs from scratch from your own cad drawings, yet when people question the integrity of your claims you change your story to using 2 hardboats! and so on and so on........

im quite happy for this to go on and on and on. im getting my order books full. our ribs are in the north of the country now and demo runs soon to be available up there.

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Originally Posted by Gav

In all this, not once have i seen or heard anyone come to your defence and catagorically state that they have seen any hull plugs you have built from scratch??

why should i expect people to come to my defence? i am quite happy to talk for my self.

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Originally Posted by Gav

your vagueness says it all!

does it??

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Originally Posted by Gav

look forward to seeing your 8.3m rib, of course i'm sure it wont resemble a P25 running surface.... geez that'd be well freaky!

im glad you look forward to seeing our new rib. we have a lot of people waiting to see the excellent quaility and to grab one at a give away price.

wouldnt it just be well freaky......

fast fred · 27 April 2006, 13:13

any who, when you over kick glass it dose funny things, such as but not only
Cracks for no reason, spiders, not in time, but right away.
once again not sayin that is the case hear, just things to look for.

LeewayComposite · 27 April 2006, 13:20

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Originally Posted by fast fred

any who, when you over kick glass it dose funny things, such as but not only
Cracks for no reason, spiders, not in time, but right away.
once again not sayin that is the case hear, just things to look for.

thank you for your input...

Gav · 27 April 2006, 15:38

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Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

why should i expect people to come to my defence? i am quite happy to talk for my self.

you miss my point.......again. i didnt say YOU expect people to come to your defence. If you are selling so many ribs to so many happy customers then where are they, why have none of them popped up here on ribnet, do you not get any visitors to your workplace? does anyone know you exist on the IOW?
You know what i mean when i say Vague, human nature i suppose when you have dug a hole so big you cant see out!!

Good luck anyway with the P25 splash.

G L · 27 April 2006, 19:22

I've just got back from a demo run in the 6.3 (kindly proved by storm force) it's a great Rib, Fantastic Fun. We then went to his work place, we were shown his range, discussed the various layout and options and have placed our order, it just a shame we are in a queue. Leeway offer a great product, at outstanding value, personalised to your requirements, layout, colour etc... All for well under £8000. Why buy second hand and compromise when you can have a Rib, new, just how you want, with full approval and warranties. I originally posted the question is it a good Rib, and I've had to answer it myself, Yes it a very good Rib, Build quality great, Value for money is unbelievable, if anyone is in doubt, they should go and see for themselves.

jackcastoff · 28 April 2006, 00:47

G L - by far the most productive post on this subject, and a shame it had to be answered by the person that posted the question! I have looked at this thread, originally with a chuckle, but laterally I have thought it quite a shame that most of the input has just been a load of cock, completely unhelpful, and alot obviously written by people without a clue and mainly with the intent of bringing others down. These fights should be left between the owner of the original design (if really 100% copied) and the manufacturers. Until it gets to that point after a court battle the true answer would be out and before that nobody should stick their viagra fuelled noses in. Leeway is run by a competant lad lacking no enthusiasm who sells a well finished product. Whilst it is unfortunate that he is rising to the slagging match it is hardly surprising as it is quite obvious that he has put many, many hours of work in whether it be 'cutting and shutting' to make a mould - this process is as time consuming as making a plug from scratch and for all intents and purposes is as difficult if not more as so many alterations are required to the donor to tweak it (i am fully aware of the work in mould making as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself) . He will want as much as any other creative person to defend himself and his product . So in the future can we have more constructive threads which may persuade people who are new to this site that we are not talking cock and hopefully promote the sport more!

And G L can you report back with some (hopefully great) results when you are afloat ?

LeewayComposite · 28 April 2006, 07:01

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Originally Posted by G L

I've just got back from a demo run in the 6.3 (kindly proved by storm force) it's a great Rib, Fantastic Fun. We then went to his work place, we were shown his range, discussed the various layout and options and have placed our order, it just a shame we are in a queue. Leeway offer a great product, at outstanding value, personalised to your requirements, layout, colour etc... All for well under £8000. Why buy second hand and compromise when you can have a Rib, new, just how you want, with full approval and warranties. I originally posted the question is it a good Rib, and I've had to answer it myself, Yes it a very good Rib, Build quality great, Value for money is unbelievable, if anyone is in doubt, they should go and see for themselves.

thank you GL for shearing your helpfull opinions to others. I think going by the number of phone calls, demo runs and orders taken people are doing the same as yourself and coming to look at the product for them self. it is a shame this forum has a lot of people that are quite happy to back stab and others that want the competition gone so much they get there friends to post absolute rubbish that is no help to man or beast.

Jono · 28 April 2006, 07:27

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

G L - by far the most productive post on this subject, and a shame it had to be answered by the person that posted the question!

I am pleased that “GL” was happy with the boat he tested, but there’s no reason why the boat shouldn’t be “sweet handling” assuming that it was built properly

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

…..alot obviously written by people without a clue …

Without a clue ? Yeah.. right ..boat builders, ex-racers, marine engineers… all who have seen the boat with the wonky portside and who know the Phantom range intimately.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

…and mainly with the intent of bringing others down. …

..or perhaps are just pissed off at the blatant lying that Leeway has been doing. Don’t forget he went from “100% my CAD designed plug and boat” to “Cut’n shut” two hard boat hulls.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

These fights should be left between the owner of the original design (if really 100% copied) and the manufacturers. …

I’m sure you missed out on the part where the financially viability of doing that was discussed.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

Until it gets to that point after a court battle the true answer would be out and before that nobody should stick their viagra fuelled noses in. …

…and perhaps you can be constructive too.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

'cutting and shutting' to make a mould - this process is as time consuming as making a plug from scratch and for all intents and purposes is as difficult if not more as so many alterations are required to the donor to tweak it (i am fully aware of the work in mould making as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself) . …

…and how much time goes into the design and testing ? Or perhaps you’re just talking through your “Viagra fuelled nose” yourself.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

So in the future can we have more constructive threads, which may persuade people who are new to this site that we are not talking cock and hopefully promote the sport more! …

Constructive ? What… just like your little rant. Hypocrite.

Have a nice day…..

Jono · 28 April 2006, 07:29

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Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

......others that want the competition gone so much they get there friends to post absolute rubbish that is no help to man or beast.

So who has posted on this thread that is in anyway in "competition" with you?

MarkWildey · 28 April 2006, 07:45

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

that most of the input has just been a load of cock, completely unhelpful, and alot obviously written by people without a clue

I think the main people making comment here are very knowledgeable people including boat builders themselves. Very few people outside of the industry have said anything so I don't think your correct

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

These fights should be left between the owner of the original design

I somewhat agree with you here but nether-the-less I'm sure you agree that stealing someone elses work, if that what Leeway has done, does not mean its ok?

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

he has put many, many hours of work in whether it be 'cutting and shutting' to make a mould

That would be a great defence in court " well me-lord I did commit the robbery but please take into account that there was a lot of planning before we did it". I'm sure that Leeway does make a great boat and I'm sure that having used a great hull design, such as the Phantom, will enhance his product but why doesn't he say so and pay what looks like a small amount to the owner of the design.

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Originally Posted by jackcastoff

as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself)

Are you saying that after making a plug and mould that you'd be happy for some stranger to turn up and take a copy so that they could make money out of it. I find that very strange

Regards

Mark

ADS · 28 April 2006, 07:54

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Originally Posted by Jono

So who has posted on this thread that is in anyway in "competition" with you?

I would think he is referring to Gav, although the Seaquel 600 XS is a very different beast all togther in comparison to a Rib, although I believe the pricings are similar.

Scary Des · 28 April 2006, 09:01

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Originally Posted by G L

.....Value for money is unbelievable......

So don’t believe it

if something sounds too good to be true, it often is. Leeway keeps saying his ribs are too cheap so he has to either put the price up or cut costs (quality) or go bust. All of which make the current ‘value for money’ unbelievable. Des

G L · 28 April 2006, 09:14

Des makes a good point, Leeway’s Rib are cheap, but they are of very high standard, and I'm sure that his next step will be to put his prices up, now that he has established him self in the Rib market. Buy now before its to late.....

jackcastoff · 28 April 2006, 10:17

Jonon , Mark, Im not trying to defend Leeway if he has knocked someone elses design, and to be true I dont really give a monkeys. Let the courts decide that. If it was my design and I was 100% sure about it I would 100% take it to court. The fact that Leeway isnt in court and I would be surprised if he ends up in court surely shows off that the true owner of the design does not really care or acknoledges the fact that the design has been changed quite a bit. Again I dont really give a monkeys, ribs evolve. I own a P22 and it has evolved off another boat. Im not going to get involved any further as me going on about the design argument contradicts my earlier post. Time will tell on all aspects of Leeways boats. I have seen some bangers made by different companies, almost home made looking. The quality that I have seen on Leeways boat may put some reputable makes to shame.