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Old 04 December 2012, 14:05   #41
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Old 04 December 2012, 14:13   #42
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The form also deals with attempted fraud. So no fraud needs to have been actually carried out. There are a number of people who have been 'in communication' with them who can then report an attempted fraud, even though no fraud has actually taken place.

I dont think 74909 would cover sales. They would need to be registered under one of the wholesale or retail sales categories. In other words, this company does not sell things.
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Old 04 December 2012, 14:20   #43
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Hmmmmm!!!!!!!

Result of WHOIS query:

Domain name:
marine-sales.co.uk

Registrant:
jose manuel prado pozuelo

Registrant type:
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Registrant's address:
Avda Bases de Manresa1
HUDIKSVALL
08242
Spain

Registrar:
Ascio Technologies Inc t/a Ascio Technologies inc [Tag = ASCIO]
URL: One connection domain registrar | Ascio

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Registered on: 14-Nov-2012
Expiry date: 14-Nov-2014
Last updated: 14-Nov-2012

Registration status:
Registered until expiry date.

Name servers:
ns1.surf-town.net
ns2.surf-town.net
ns3.surf-town.net

WHOIS lookup made at 19:12:14 04-Dec-2012


And the website lives on a Danish Server.

The last time i looked Hudiksvall was in Sweden not Spain!
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Old 04 December 2012, 14:22   #44
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Also check out the different web address for contact form. Then google the domain noads.biz and see how many scams are associated with the them..
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But still needs to be "proved to have been attempted".
So this protects the innocent dealers from benign and malevolent action but also allows the alleged victims to build a case against the so-called wrong-doers by requiring evidence to prosecute. If you can "prove attempted fraud" then you're onto a winner.
"Prove" is the key. A very tricky key. Previous action and witnesses are the usual "key".
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Old 04 December 2012, 14:40   #46
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Hmmmmm!!!!!!!

Result of WHOIS query:

Domain name:
marine-sales.co.uk

Registrant:
jose manuel prado pozuelo

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
Avda Bases de Manresa1
HUDIKSVALL
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Spain

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Ascio Technologies Inc t/a Ascio Technologies inc [Tag = ASCIO]
URL: One connection domain registrar | Ascio

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 14-Nov-2012
Expiry date: 14-Nov-2014
Last updated: 14-Nov-2012

Registration status:
Registered until expiry date.

Name servers:
ns1.surf-town.net
ns2.surf-town.net
ns3.surf-town.net

WHOIS lookup made at 19:12:14 04-Dec-2012


And the website lives on a Danish Server.

The last time i looked Hudiksvall was in Sweden not Spain!
Interestingly tallies with the sat nav coordinates, sort of.

I reckon we should set up a definite sting op with coop from old bill and customs. They'd be up for it........we've got enough bait.
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You must be joking right ? You think the Police will give a monkeys about this, they didn't want to know when I handed them a stolen boat last month. That was proven and beyond any doubt. They wouldn't even send somebody to check it. Filed a reported.... By the time they to around to it the boat was long gone!

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Old 04 December 2012, 14:57   #48
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Sadly Peter's right. The police would just regard it as a civil matter & be completely disinterested . The scammers obviously know it & play the system in the hope of ripping a few people off.
The best you can hope for is to string them along for as long as possible to waste their time & let others know as this thread does that they're scammers!
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How's about we do just that.........ID the links and flood them with shitty enquiries about whether the engines are left hand drive or right hand drive, can you put the outboard inside the boat whilst making way to stop it getting wet, can the petrol engine be run on diesel if you change the filter, if you add a steering wheel can you drive it on the road if it's on the trailer, if you deflate the tubes do you need to pay mooring fees, if you pump the tubes really hard how much faster does it go, does the engine need to be attached to the boat or can it be used from the bank...................
You get my drift.........swamp the f****rs with s**t.
You know it makes sense.
Let's see their emails and get to work.
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Look and here they are again this time in Berkshire!. They advertise all there boats on gumtree.

Seven Boats - New & used outboards, inboards, boats, jet skis, sporting goods & more at low prices!
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Old 04 December 2012, 18:14   #51
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Look and here they are again this time in Berkshire!. They advertise all there boats on gumtree.

Seven Boats - New & used outboards, inboards, boats, jet skis, sporting goods & more at low prices!
I'd buy it from there then Rob, its closer

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More damm scammers!!.

RIBCARFT 6.5 M RIB, RIB, Very heavy duty deep vee in Bristol, TT240KBAF | Trade-It Classifieds

Thought right this is cheap, im going to buy it, called the number and it goes to a take away called spicy pork bites!!! the guy on the phone thought i was asking about his spare Ribs!! Funny really!
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Old 05 December 2012, 15:20   #53
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do we know that they have actually committed fraud yet? dont get me wrong, it doesnt look good, but how can you report them for something you just think that they will do?
Attempted fraud is a crime. Passing off (pretending to be a business which you are not) is also a crime. May well be other trades description type offences too. IF they can prove who is responsible for the website then there would be a reasonable prospect of a prosecution; assuming they are in the UK. The fact there is a UK bank account should mean that there are identity details - although those may relate to the offender or some unfortunate victim of identity theft.

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You must be joking right ? You think the Police will give a monkeys about this,
actually if you get the right department then I believe they will. There have been a few recent ebay fraud prosecutions from the other end of the country for comparatively low value sales - stuff that most people possibly wouldn't even report to the police.

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they didn't want to know when I handed them a stolen boat last month. That was proven and beyond any doubt. They wouldn't even send somebody to check it. Filed a reported.... By the time they to around to it the boat was long gone!
did you just contradict yourself? unlike your stolen boat this doesn't necessarily need a drop everything response. A considered evidence gathering approach is likely to be more successful.

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Sadly Peter's right. The police would just regard it as a civil matter & be completely disinterested
No I think that attitude is half the reason people get away with it. Fraud is not a civil matter. It might be a nightmare case for your local bobby but most forces have specialist computer crime teams, as well as teams specialising in fraud. The problem will be that probably the offender is nowhere near any of the addresses stated above, so which force should be investigating. (In the ebay cases I mentioned the prosecutions seem to be carried out in the local where the offender is based).
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Poly- I wish it was as simple as you suggest.

Passing off , I had a clear offence on my business and I could find NO one interested except high paid lawyers who wanted a minimum of 10000 to take a case- of course paid by me, my liability ins does not cover it and police not interested, also my membership of British Marine Federation, Royal Yachting Assoc, and Federation of Small Businesses meant non of these would deal with the matters I had despite having legal cover

I also disagree with you that police would do anything. The fraud sections have a start point to take on a case and the fraud value must exceed 1/2 million as a start point for these specialists

I wish it was a straight forward business to get plod to take on a fraud case, you may be lucky in your district but I have no faith from experience in the local forces or national fraud teams to take on this type of work- these slip through the net which is why so many occur regularly
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Poly- I wish it was as simple as you suggest.

Passing off , I had a clear offence on my business and I could find NO one interested except high paid lawyers who wanted a minimum of 10000 to take a case- of course paid by me, my liability ins does not cover it and police not interested, also my membership of British Marine Federation, Royal Yachting Assoc, and Federation of Small Businesses meant non of these would deal with the matters I had despite having legal cover

I also disagree with you that police would do anything. The fraud sections have a start point to take on a case and the fraud value must exceed 1/2 million as a start point for these specialists

I wish it was a straight forward business to get plod to take on a fraud case, you may be lucky in your district but I have no faith from experience in the local forces or national fraud teams to take on this type of work- these slip through the net which is why so many occur regularly
Sadly this is our experience too. People sometimes (perhaps naively) think its a crime so of course its going to get investigated, which we would all love to be the case but in reality they can only investigate so much at any one time and with the current climate its a tough choice to make. I imagine they could pick between thousands of these kind of scams such as cars, bikes, watches, clothes etc so what makes boats so special ? That's without the bigger credit card, fake bankers drafts etc!

When we first came across this kind of scam I was livid with it, wanting to take them all on myself. After you hit that wall time after time you tend to think what's the point. Somebody gets paid to do this so why should i waste my time to be told thanks we will look into it ? I'd sooner spend that same time to try to convince people to buy more carefully.

Polly I'd love to be proven wrong in this case. Go ahead and file your report to these so called "special computer teams" and report back when you've taken them down. God knows I've tried

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Interesting to see this evening ITV "on the run" documentary showing my point. Reporters are doing the Police's job in tracking down dangerous criminals including armed robbers, have found one and reported it to the police. A 9AM call saying "he is in this house come get him" got a response 8 hours later, when 15 officers arrived to find he had fled.

That's with TV cameras, the weight of ITV behind the calls and seriously wanted criminals. If that's the response they give for this what you can understand why reporting a boat gets bugger all response. Its a very similar thing when reporting these scams!

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If that was not true it would almost be funny- Yep you hit the nail on the head what chance does the average person have
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