Fading Hypalon

Jizm · 11 January 2003, 23:45

Any one got any great methods for slowing down the fading of hypalon? Had a look at the old girl today and looks like she's starting to fade already, only had it re-tubed 18 months ago. Are there any hypalon specific cleaners you can buy? RIB turtle wax? If so where from? How much etc?

Regards
Jizm

Daniel · 12 January 2003, 02:55

I guess it goes without saying, but i'll say it anyway - a cover?

Someone once advised me that a good boat cover doubles the life of a boat, it seamed stupid at the time but i think it's true.

Do you have a cover?

Regards

Dan

Alan Priddy · 12 January 2003, 09:30

Tubes are like deck shoes, they all look the same but some are better than others! Whos make of Hypalon are th etubes made out of? I ask this question because the cure is different for each make. Contact mme on my PM

Cheers
Alan P

crazyhorse · 12 January 2003, 18:35

Anybody know what 1650 decitex orca is like? Good or bad ?

Manos · 12 January 2003, 18:41

Is VERY GOOD!!

I have a comparison test between ORCA hypalon (done by ORCA) 1650 dtex and a PVC. I'll post it on Wed.
However, both products performed similarly during that test.
ORCA is used by many major manufacturers.

Manos · 12 January 2003, 18:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Jizm
Any one got any great methods for slowing down the fading of hypalon?

There is no cure as far as I know. It is most likely that the this Hypalon material is of a very poor quality.
To minimise the fading look just wash it with a light solution of warm water and washing up liquid, rins it and polish it with some silicone based polish (I have also used armorall sometimes in the past with success!!). It will shine temporarily but the fading will go on.
If you start rubbing it with a harder cleaning compound it will get worst.
You will see that if you try it that the colour will come off in the cloth and it will fade even more.

CJL · 13 January 2003, 08:48

If the fading gets too bad use Flexipaint to paint the tubes.
It is nothing more than a Hypalon based paint. It is very hard wearing and last for ages. Because it is Hypalon based it cures all those little leaks and does not look painted.
It is available from a company in Hull and they do next day delivery. PM me if you want their details.
CJL

Jizm · 13 January 2003, 10:29

Henshaw did the tubes in late 2001. Looking at the web-site it seems to be 1200gsm. No brand listed on the website and yes I do cover it with a tarp when I remember!

dgpw · 13 January 2003, 12:51

Rib shine and alot of hard work will bring the colour back a bit. If it is realy bad go for the painted option.

get a cover on it to stop it getting worce.

DJL · 13 January 2003, 15:14

Why not try ringing Henshaw.

It sounds a bit odd that they have faded so much in just over a year, especially if they have been covered up.

Manos · 13 January 2003, 15:41

The matter of painting the boat has come up. We did some paint jobs on a Zodiac and a Sinlger I use to have before. Looked ok but the paint started flaking off and needed painting every so often (NEVER AGAIN). May be it was the heat and may be in the UK with lower temperatures it shouldn't happen who knows.
Trial and error will show.

Re the fading hypalon it must be the quality. Is it under guarantee?? According to tube experts it should not fade is such a short time no matter if you left it out exposed or not. ORCA Hypalon products don't start fading before the lapse of 15 years.
You should complain to the manufacturers.

Christopher · 13 January 2003, 17:34

Jizm

Can I suggest that you give me a call during office hours at the number below, and I will arrange to have one of our staff look at the tubes next time they are in the area.

The tube will have been made from the best quality Hypalon coated fabric that money can buy, and not any inferior fabric. The fabric and air tight seams carry a five year warranty anyway, so don't worry about it.

Orca fabric is actually a brand name of Pennel Industries whereas the fabric used on your boat will, have probably been Aerazur fabric, that we have mostly used in preference for 31 years. It has a very slight thicker coating of Hypalon rubber calendered onto the surface, and offers better abrasion resistance.However both Aerazur and Orca are distributed by the same company, Pennel.

There was mention on this thread about using Silicone. Never use Silicone on Hypalon as it will cause problems if you ever have to carry out a tube repair

Please ring on 01963 33237

Manos · 13 January 2003, 17:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher
There was mention on this thread about using Silicone. Never use Silicone on Hypalon as it will cause problems if you ever have to carry out a tube repair

Just to say that I have used silicon based sprays on a 5 mtr GEMINI that I had for 15 years. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM with tube repairs. It all stuck properly.
If you rub both surfaces and clean them before gluing then there is no problem (so thye experts say).
Any way silicon does not stay for long on the fabric (a few days the most) after you put it in the water.
Just talking from experience

Garygee · 13 January 2003, 21:00

What colour is the Hyperlon.

I belive that some colours fade quicker than others.

Regards Gary

dgpw · 14 January 2003, 10:08

On the note of silicon. Car wax is often silicon based and when used on the hull of a boat can repel gel coat filler at a later date. If you look at a specific boat cleaner the almost never have silicon in them.

Jizm · 14 January 2003, 18:41

I am not as religious as I should be about the cover and it has been uncoverd now for a few weeks (I am a bad man!). But even so I winged to the missus about and when I came home today she had given it a go with some soapy water and a sponge and I have to say it looks much better (not telling her that though). I don't think the fading is anywhere near as bad as I first thought, in fact I think the light made it look much worse than I imagined. I have since decided that when the weather improves I will give te old girl some TLC and try whichever cleaner/polish that you boys on this forum recommend.

I must also say that this is no way a dig at Henshaws, whose workmanship I can only desribe as top notch and I have absolutely no reservations what so ever about recommending them to anyone for all RIB collar work!!!
Thankyou Mr Hornidge!

Regards
Jiz

it's alpine blue in colour, garygee.(see below).

Manos · 14 January 2003, 19:20

I'm very pleased that my suggested remedy worked!!

Didn't have any doubts that it wouldn't any way.
After you finish washing the boat and you dry it well, wet a cloth first with some warm water, then spray liberally small sections on the baot at each one time with ARMORALL (not the mat but the shining version) polishing agent use the wet cloth to rub it in. Wait until is dry and for the REAL shining effect get a dry cloth wipe it and you will not believe your eyes!!

As I said the effect will last for a few days (4-7) the most if you have the boat continually in the water. Otherwise it will last a bit longer. You also see that ARMOL acts as water repelant on the plastic.
If you try this let us know what you think!!

Manos · 14 January 2003, 19:26

Just forgot. To see how the boat would look like have a look at this thread I posted a few days back

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490

Does that boat look like a 15 year old boat to you??