8 months deliverytime on a new Scorpion!!! - Page 2

thewavehumper · 01 November 2003, 18:13

I thought the Balistic was made by Mako are they the same hull and if so who splashed who?

the Gemini dealership is in the same yard as us and I pop in and say hello about twice or three times a week and I've never seen one with a tube problem. Are you familiar with the FRE or are you confusing it with a Waverider.

I heard there were Toob problems with 10 metere Cobras in fact I heard one go bang in Lymington and I was in Southampton at the time. (that's me off Islanders Christmas Card list ?)

Jelly · 02 November 2003, 07:27

Weren't Ballistics made by a company on Hayling Island originally?
A something E and the unique thing was the reverse chines .
Always thought they looked nice when they were at boat show, but didn't see them this year or possibly last.
Jelly

stuart hedges · 02 November 2003, 15:56

Ballistics have the same hull as a Mako but were built in this country on Hayling Island. Blue Ocean charter own one of the big Gemins with twin 200's and they have had lot's of problems with tubes (cones falling off) and other probems.

thewavehumper · 03 November 2003, 07:40

The Blue Ocean is a wave rider The FRE is a military specced boat and I don't get the feeling anything would fall of it, it's very solidly put together.

re my other question what is the similarity between a Ballistic and a Gemini

stuart hedges · 03 November 2003, 09:46

Ah I didn't realise that. I would like to see one of them.

I am comparing the waverider to the Ballistic.

STORM(y) · 03 November 2003, 10:05

Gemini will be happy to go up against any RIB (apart from Ocean Dynamic’s) to prove it sea keeping capabilities, durability and strength.

Gemini have a 7.3m FRE available now with single 225 Opti Mariner, A-frame, VHF, seating for 6 with 350lt fuel tanks. Call them for further information on

+0044 (0)2380226678
e.mail adam@gemini-inflatables.co.uk

Rene · 03 November 2003, 13:06

I have never heard of any problem with the Balistic, except maybe there time to deliver the boat from new.

But if you can wait for about 4 weeks I will you know about a new model build over the Balistic frame. It should be a bit wider, but otherwise the same quality.

The price seems very fair.

Regards
Rene

paul tilley · 03 November 2003, 16:33

artic ribs look similar to cromptons (the original version of ballistics as made by aet and then sub contracted to mako in sa ,possibly soon to be made by prestige in sa, at least the boss of mako was in prestige last time i was there . by the way i make the tubes for artic ribs hence i am bound to be biased towards them , and ithink they are very serious

Christopher · 03 November 2003, 17:12

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Originally posted by Fjordrafting
I have looked at several ribs by now, and I fell in love with the Scorpion. I ordered a 8.5m with twin 250s. Not until I have payed the deposit, could I get a confimed time of delivery, which was eight months!
I sent a mail to get my deposit back, and right now I am wondering which boat to try next.
This only confirm that the production capisity is too small compaired to their popularity.
Have a nice one, I wouldnt.

It may be worthwhile having a look at Mats Lingren's new Explorer 36 built in Sweden. It is being launched at the Stockholm Boat Show next week, and you can see details on www.rib.nu

Select Model Programme and then Explorer 36

Petrov · 03 November 2003, 17:33

sent you a pm.

thewavehumper · 03 November 2003, 17:58

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Originally posted by paul tilley
. by the way i make the tubes for artic ribs hence i am bound to be biased towards them , and ithink they are very serious

Martin, this guy has an enviable reputation in this country, so his recomendation is worth a look at.

Cheers
Stuart

Stuart H2o

Kive Kieron a call and have a go on the FRE they are really good boats .

Fjordrafting · 05 November 2003, 18:39

The guyes at Scorpion realy have put a lot of effort in trying to make me a better slot - time for my rib. The final solution was that an other customer who has ordered an advanced rib, taking very much time to bild, didnt mind having his rib finiched after mine.
The slot - time could be moved to April. So now I have confirmed my order, and can see myself in my new Scorpion!
Now we have to find out what equippment to fill it with, reading the Rib-Magaszine, it seams like most every plotters last only hours.
Reading everywhere, enginemounts fall apart like toys, new engines falling off the boat etc. How different chartercompanies have had 10 engines delivered back to the dealer.
It is possible to read something bad about any engine, but it seams like it harder to find disapointed Yamaha - customers.

Have a nice evening!
Martin

Brian · 07 November 2003, 07:57

The thought occurs to me that if Scorpions delivery time is 8 months then maybe Mr. Jelly isn't charging enough for his magnificent machines?
Sorry, whats that? Got to go now. Think I can hear someone shouting at me from Greece!

Alan · 07 November 2003, 09:04

Enviable position to be in as a manufacturer isn't it? Premium priced product where demand outstrips supply. 'Spose he could look at increasing his production capacity but would need to watch out for any potential drop in quality stds. Then he'd lose the price premium!

RIVA · 24 December 2004, 08:15

are licenced by nick parish the owner of them , made by boating dynamics , and distributed by jbt marine .

were once made by mako but they lost the deal as they did not keep there end of bargin and is fighting a court case at the moment

? is mako still tradeing at the moment i think you will find there not ,

ballistic has no links to prestige or ribeye

codprawn · 24 December 2004, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Alan

Enviable position to be in as a manufacturer isn't it? Premium priced product where demand outstrips supply. 'Spose he could look at increasing his production capacity but would need to watch out for any potential drop in quality stds. Then he'd lose the price premium!

Picton are in the same position with their Cobra range - I asked Dave Picton why he didn't just expand and take on more staff - he said he had been their and done that in the past making normal boats - said he would rather smaller volume - lower overheads - less headaches same profit!!!

A mate of mine builds luxury houses - start at £600,000 - only sells a few a year but he drives around in a 360 spyder - his cousin builds FAR more houses in the normal price bracket and has a workforce of about 300 - he has less disposable income and far more headaches - my mate works about 3 hrs a day - they work around the clock!

Bigger isn't always better!

seatreks · 26 December 2004, 20:09

Mr jelly is offering you a rib in 8 months, not bad he must be busy, try redbay you might be lucky to get one by xmas next year, only plus point it will be a lot less expensive and built for extreme seas.

Sharky · 27 December 2004, 19:06

Stick to the Scorpion it will be worth it in the end. The other one you could try is Cougar Marine, thay are building a rib based on the Honda 225 race boat. i have been in their ribs and thay are very close to the Scorpion. Good Luck

Pete7 · 27 December 2004, 23:41

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Originally Posted by RIVA

are licenced by nick parish the owner of them , made by boating dynamics , and distributed by jbt marine

So Jason, are these Balistics any good then ?

I see they have an orange one on there web site, can you tell me how much one like this would cost new ? or should I go and ask Vic at Sea & Sea in Paignton as he is in the photo.

http://www.ballisticmarine.com/dive.htm

Pete

Nicksweden · 28 December 2004, 13:45

Paul maybe refering to Arctic Blue these RIB´s are designed in Norway but made in Poland, I tried one last year, very impressive though expensive!

http://www.nordicmarine.se/frames/ma...hp?page=arctic

The web site is in Swedish, but the pictures are worth a look.

Nick.