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Old 22 January 2012, 21:04   #21
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As a separate thought....... Luckily as I am old enough and passed my driving test in 1992 I don’t have to do the whole towing test thing, but I have a daughter about to drive age 17 .Can she tow before she passes her towing test if I am sat next to her as a full licence holder ( with towing stuff licence & properly insured etc )
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Peter who's that with if I my ask, struggling to find anyone here in Salisbury for my son to take it with !!
Cats Eyes. They have offices around the country I think but Particularly in Bournemouth, Plymouth and Cardiff. That being said I'm not sure how many of them do the trailer B+E. Plymouth does. Ask for Tracy!

Here's the website and prices

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As a separate thought....... Luckily as I am old enough and passed my driving test in 1992 I don’t have to do the whole towing test thing, but I have a daughter about to drive age 17 .Can she tow before she passes her towing test if I am sat next to her as a full licence holder ( with towing stuff licence & properly insured etc )
I think the law says no. If you were "given" your towing rights free by passing your standard driving test you cannot teach somebody else on a provisional. I guess they feel your not "qualified" to do so. Just legal to tow.

If you fancy becoming "qualified" here is a site with pricing http://www.catseyesdrivingschool.co.uk/tow.htm

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As a separate thought....... Luckily as I am old enough and passed my driving test in 1992 I don’t have to do the whole towing test thing, but I have a daughter about to drive age 17 .Can she tow before she passes her towing test if I am sat next to her as a full licence holder ( with towing stuff licence & properly insured etc )
Pete, As I understand it, she can not tow anything (even unbraked ickle trailers) until she passes her ordinary car license, even if you are sitting next to her. At that point she will then be allowed to tow a "small" trailer on her own.

Having passed her test then an instructor or other competent person like yourself can supervise her towing a "heavy" trailer. The trailer and car will need to be properly L plated up and I presume there is no motorway driving.
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mmm... pete might be best to get dvla to clarify in writing. Certainly what Peter describes is true for small lorries etc: Rules for supervising small lorry and minibus learner drivers : Directgov - Motoring

But then again this says differently!

The Berkshire Driving School - Trailer Towing
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As a separate thought....... Luckily as I am old enough and passed my driving test in 1992 I don’t have to do the whole towing test thing, but I have a daughter about to drive age 17 .Can she tow before she passes her towing test if I am sat next to her as a full licence holder ( with towing stuff licence & properly insured etc )
You can supervise for towing when she has a full B licence (passes DSA car test)
The new supervising laws in April 2010 did not affect B+E

She will get a B+E provisional listed on the paper part of the licence when she has a full B licence

L plates on front of vehicle and back of trailer

Correct LEARNER insurance
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mmm... pete might be best to get dvla to clarify in writing. Certainly what Peter describes is true for small lorries etc: Rules for supervising small lorry and minibus learner drivers : Directgov - Motoring

But then again this says differently!

The Berkshire Driving School - Trailer Towing
That site does not say diferent - it states C and D categories only

It used to say different many months ago but they changed it after a certain person called ROG contacted them
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ROG, No I meant says differently from Peter(Boats&Outboards) and the "extrapolation" of the DVLA rules for small lorries and minibusses.
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I just called DVLA and asked if a provisional B licence holder could tow trailers which fitted into the B towing rules under the usual surpervisional laws and they said NO

There is a rule which states that provisional B licence holders CANNOT tow trailers of any kind
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ROG, No I meant says differently from Peter(Boats&Outboards) and the "extrapolation" of the DVLA rules for small lorries and minibusses.
Sorry mate I have lost where you are coming from ....

Could you present your query again please
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Could you present your query again please
Its OK I think we are in agreement:

- Provisional car license - can't tow trailers at all
- "Full" post 1997 car licence can tow "large" trailers if supervised by someone who is entitled to drive that car and trailer combination themselves and has held the license to do so for at least 3 years, not on the motorway, must be insured and must display L plates.
- There is some conflicting information on the web, and if you want to be certain safest option is to ask DVLA.
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Xk59D,

Give this guy a try Jim Mair Driver Training Ltd He is based just off the A77 at top end of Kilmarnock.

I sat my test with him 4 or 5 years ago and he was very good I got a deal which was through the agricultural college which was part funding courses if it was required for business and 2 days training plus my test was £300 (not sure if these are still available or not).

The test was reasonably basic and I only used one days training, I would recommend doing some training however even a couple of hours just to get to know when they expect you to look in mirrors, the reversing manoeuvre you are asked to do which is simple but Jim showed me a couple of techniques which made it even easier (more to do with his particular trailer than anything else).
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Its OK I think we are in agreement:

- Provisional car license - can't tow trailers at all
- "Full" post 1997 car licence can tow "large" trailers if supervised by someone who is entitled to drive that car and trailer combination themselves and has held the license to do so for at least 3 years, not on the motorway, must be insured and must display L plates.
- There is some conflicting information on the web, and if you want to be certain safest option is to ask DVLA.
A B+E provisional is allowed on a motorway

One of the B+E DSA test routes near me has a motorway section on it
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Give this guy a try Jim Mair Driver Training Ltd He is based just off the A77 at top end of Kilmarnock.

I sat my test with him 4 or 5 years ago and he was very good I got a deal which was through the agricultural college which was part funding courses if it was required for business and 2 days training plus my test was £300 (not sure if these are still available or not).

The test was reasonably basic and I only used one days training, I would recommend doing some training however even a couple of hours just to get to know when they expect you to look in mirrors, the reversing manoeuvre you are asked to do which is simple but Jim showed me a couple of techniques which made it even easier (more to do with his particular trailer than anything else).
thanks for that, gave them a call- £518- :-( nearly 200 quid more than Glasgow.

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I asked on another site and got this definitive answer in relation to a B provisional and towing under B licence rules

Towing with a provisional B licence?? (Page 1) / ADI Forum / Driver Training Today

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The appropriate law is in the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999.
Conditions attached to provisional licences
16.—(1) A provisional licence of any class is granted subject to the conditions prescribed in relation to a licence of that class in the following paragraphs.
(2) Subject to the following paragraphs, the holder of a provisional licence shall not drive a vehicle of a class which he is authorised to drive by virtue of that licence—
(a)otherwise than under the supervision of a qualified driver who is present with him in or on the vehicle,
(b)unless a distinguishing mark in the form set out in Part 1 of Schedule 4 is displayed on the vehicle in such manner as to be clearly visible to other persons using the road from within a reasonable distance from the front and from the back of the vehicle, or
(c)while it is being used to draw a trailer.
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(5) The condition specified in paragraph (2)(c) shall not apply to the holder of a provisional licence authorising the driving of a vehicle of a class included in category B+E, C+E, D+E or F, in relation to motor vehicles of that class.

This can be found here; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999 … on/16/made
If you check the plastic and paper counterpart of a UK basic Cat B provisional it should not have Cat B+E shown.
The date 1999 doesn't mean that there has been a change to this particular regulation, trailers have been forbidden to basic learners since before i started to drive, but the regulations did have to be modified back when the category B+E first started when we changed our old vehicle groups to the Euro categories.
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