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Old 27 June 2018, 23:09   #21
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Latest batch of Chinese kill switches.

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Or maybe he got the hint to stop talking nonsense [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

No it's you that talks nonsense!

I'm Surprised this thread is still here!
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Question to admins. Apart from monitoring this guy why is he not a Trade Member?


Well, he's not exactly "promoting" his business is he Billy[emoji6] I can't see how he's going to drum up any trade via Ribnet. I think he's actually doing us a service & should be put in the stickies as an example to new members on who to avoid, along with Dan Cooper.
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........and why leave the connectors on to rust away!
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Well, he's not exactly "promoting" his business is he Billy[emoji6] I can't see how he's going to drum up any trade via Ribnet. I think he's actually doing us a service & should be put in the stickies as an example to new members on who to avoid, along with Dan Cooper.


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Old 28 June 2018, 07:40   #26
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Dan Cooper of the south... yes ha ha.

However in the manner of onwards and upwards Dan Cooper is now a Tohatsu main dealer!!! I was on their website looking at my nearest dealer and utterly gobsmacked to see him at the top.
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for my own fecking use RIGHT, .... I tell ya what anyone wants to get personal with me, message me yeah.
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Don't buy Chinese switches and be careful who you let work on your stuff, should atleast mitigate cheap crap will end up on your boat for important bits.
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I'm still perplexed!

- where does Yamaha get its switches made? How will I know which I have? I will bet it's erm... China

- curly cords - well known the cheap ones have no string core and are not up to much. (Although if the choice is no spare or a cheap spare... I'll take the cheap spare)

- what actually fails on these and does it mean my engine won't start or my engine won't stop

- I have one of these with the wires btw. So far been just fine. But not had much use.

- does a snapped metal connection on a spade not make corrosion MORE likely?

- if the wire version is a true pattern part... It will fit the space.
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Will do. . . However I will not tolerate any out of order or offensive comments to myself that go beyond normal discussion and debate and it's fair that I responded likewise.

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I'm still perplexed!

- where does Yamaha get its switches made? How will I know which I have? I will bet it's erm... China

- curly cords - well known the cheap ones have no string core and are not up to much. (Although if the choice is no spare or a cheap spare... I'll take the cheap spare)

- what actually fails on these and does it mean my engine won't start or my engine won't stop

- I have one of these with the wires btw. So far been just fine. But not had much use.

- does a snapped metal connection on a spade not make corrosion MORE likely?

- if the wire version is a true pattern part... It will fit the space.


It's likely you have an original one or a original pattern one, if so now your aware now you choose. . . (you weren't up to now!) either leave it alone or order one from a main dealer and replace. I snap off the connectors to make then fit easier and to just get rid of them they are not needed, either keep them or snap them off, I put some glue on them once snapped off (bent them to and fro gently and they just come off) I use a hot glue gun stick, melted with a lighter and dabbed on the snapped off terminals, if you have or get the wired version it's not a issue. I didn't mention sealing with glue before cos its long winded, fitting these switches is diy right! Make the connections good and make as waterproof as possible, like you see in the pics i covered the connector and wire with heat shrink, don't snap them off cover them with heat shrink, do what suits you!

I also solder the bare wires before crimping on the spade connector, that's the better way to do it, if you don't have a soldering iron then you will just have to crimp or get a soldering iron! I always use heat shrink, many do not. I have extensive knowledge of general electrical work and that how I fit a switch my own personal way. I Could have gone further and soldered the wire straight into the terminal and coved with heat shrink for a true waterproof seal but i didn't because I didn't want to risk melting the internal parts or soldering.
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Yes if your replacing an original switch that is faulty, but 9 times out of 10 these switches are used to upgrade no kill cord switches which are much smaller, like I said very rarely do original fitted kill switches fail, generally it's old outboard owners wanting a kill switch fitted and old rib and speedboat control boxes that because their original has been exposed to the elements for some time it has failed or often their control box is refurb or self build using secondhand used or pattern switches and although the original pattern ones were ok they still had a limited life if used for a few years in a harsh environment, And I realised that even these pattern universal kill switches are being produced as a copy of a copy/pattern part whatever you chose to call them. . .

And like I said the current universal (but often sold as Yamaha, Mercury etc. .) pattern/copy kill switches in circulation are junk and not fit for purpose, so I was just informing you all! As one I fitted come back within 2 weeks and when I pulled it apart I realised it was not the same as the others I used over the last years and I had been done! They are not same as the other ones I brought and used over the last few years (like hundreds of other people have done likewise!) those ones were fine! And were sold by many online Marine chandlers, As people have been using and fitting them for a good few years, so attention everyone!! there is now a junk copy of the chinease universal kill switches on eBay and Amazon!. . . . Thanks lee!

And I did not buy the £2.50 or so ones I paid £6.50 for the ones I thought were the same as usual and the ones that are sold by chandlers and uk sellers for £19.99-29.00 yes I order direct from a Chinese seller my mistake and I got done, BUT I posted to give everyone the heads up and look at the nonsense that was posted about me! I posted it for general heads up!!! Apologies needed I think!!
And my final word is this, the past pattern switches are ok, no reported deaths to date right!! Time to avoid them now though and get a genuine switch from the main dealer is £40 really worth the risk!
We all get sucked in right £40 for a switch when they are now £2.50 on eBay and Amazon and EVERY listing has many many sold!

Non kill switch off switches that were the same switch used by all outboard manufactures 1970's to mid 1990 (when I believe kill switches were made mandatory )available as a Chinese pattern or copy what ever you want to call them, also just as risky, imagine if it fails and you can't turn off your engine! (Pull out the choke)

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Latest batch of Chinese kill switches.

And finally first pic an old outboard with the original no kill cord off switch, (kill cord switches arrived after the production of this engine just like the Suzuki dt2.2 also pictured) )rare to see one that's not been fitted with universal kill cord switch!

Second pic a Suzuki dt2.2 that was never fitted with kill cord switch originally but one was added like so many have!!
Remember peeps, bright red rubber grommet and loose kill cord that don't spring back to a tight coil [emoji3]


Chinese kill switches sorted!! Next up in a few month my opinion on Chinese impellers after extensive use in several outboards this season lol 🤣[emoji31][emoji31]

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I also solder the bare wires before crimping on the spade connector, that's the better way to do it, if you don't have a soldering iron then you will just have to crimp or get a soldering iron! I always use heat shrink, many do not. I have extensive knowledge of general electrical work and that how I fit a switch my own personal way. I Could have gone further and soldered the wire straight into the terminal and coved with heat shrink for a true waterproof seal but i didn't because I didn't want to risk melting the internal parts or soldering.

Soldering connections (either direct or pre-crimping) is considered very bad practise in a harsh marine environment where the joints are subject to high vibration levels. Same applies to aviation

The wire used should be tinned copper to avoid corrosion and you should crimp directly to it.

If you solder first, then crimp, the wire is liable (very liable) to suffer a stress fracture where the solder flow ends, which is usually a little way under the insulation.


Just saying ..........
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Soldering connections (either direct or pre-crimping) is considered very bad practise in a harsh marine environment where the joints are subject to high vibration levels. Same applies to aviation

The wire used should be tinned copper to avoid corrosion and you should crimp directly to it.

If you solder first, then crimp, the wire is liable (very liable) to suffer a stress fracture where the solder flow ends, which is usually a little way under the insulation.


Just saying ..........
Exactly what he said...
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Soldering the 4mm end of a wire that will be crimped into the spade connector is unlikely to suffer a stress fracture lol it enables a better crimp that is less likely to be able to pulled out of the connector it also means the connector needs less crimping and will not end up crimped 'flat' soldering a bare wire before crimping it is better than not. Soldering a wire into a gold plated connector thus no need to crimp that connector is the true way to to it.. . . I must order up some more gold connectors lol
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Soldering the 4mm end of a wire that will be crimped into the spade connector is unlikely to suffer a stress fracture lol it enables a better crimp that is less likely to be able to pulled out of the connector it also means the connector needs less crimping and will not end up crimped 'flat' soldering a bare wire before crimping it is better than not. Soldering a wire into a gold plated connector thus no need to crimp that connector is the true way to to it.. . . I must order up some more gold connectors lol


So you are effectively crimping onto a single solid core?
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So you are effectively crimping onto a single solid core?


Ps. LOL [emoji57]
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