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Old 24 January 2012, 02:24   #1
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Tohatsu 9.8 2 Stroke For Sale - Gum Tree

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(It's not mine, I don't know the seller etc etc)
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Old 27 January 2012, 03:25   #2
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I've been looking at one of these, I've sent the seller a message to see if it's still for sale.
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Old 27 January 2012, 05:45   #3
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not terribly far from me if you want it looked at.
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Is it Short or Long shaft?
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Old 27 January 2012, 18:12   #5
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I've been looking at one of these, I've sent the seller a message to see if it's still for sale.
Lightning, look up "Mainbrayce" in the channel Isles. (Search "Mainbrayce" they are RIBnet members) They sell Tohatsu 2 strokes.

Have a word with them, you may find something there!
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Lightning, look up "Mainbrayce" in the channel Isles. (Search "Mainbrayce" they are RIBnet members) They sell Tohatsu 2 strokes.

Have a word with them, you may find something there!
We have both 9.8 and 3.5 short shaft new tohatsu 2 strokes in stock!
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I'm in touch with Mainbrayce and they do have these engines available. However the new cost is £1400 + VAT and carriage.
I'm not exactly well off at the moment! This used one is in Belfast. It looks like a short shaft.
The trouble is, getting the engine and paying for it from the private seller, I'd have to send him the money and hope that he delivered the goods.
Is there anybody in Northern Ireland who can help me out at all, maybe collect the engine?
Alternatively I'll buy a new one from Mainbrayce, but it'll have to wait until I have a bit more money.
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I've ordered a new one from Mainbrayce.
They were great to deal with and gave me a further discount on the engine. I'll get a warranty and it's delivered to my door.
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I've ordered a new one from Mainbrayce.
They were great to deal with and gave me a further discount on the engine. I'll get a warranty and it's delivered to my door.
Keep looking longingly at the T9.8 2s...Are these 'new' engines illegal to sell, illegal to buy or legal to both sell and buy as they're old stock made before the cut off date?
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Leapy, they are the old 2T motors. The EU banned their sale (new) from the end of 2006 to Leisure Users. They can still be purchased by commercial fishermen and for racing use. As such they will have reduced or no warranty. They are still produced and sold worldwide.

I have no personal issues with their use (having one) and can see no sense in allowing fishermen to use them but ban some guy who puts in 30hrs a year from having a new one.

However, I suspect that importing them from outside the EU (The Channel Islands for example) for leisure use involves some "fudging" of the regulations and as such, the details might best not be discussed on here. Happy to be wrong about this - apologies in advance if appropriate
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Happy to be wrong about this - apologies in advance if appropriate
Happily I am wrong about this

Some timely PM assured me that direct sale of 2 strokes to the UK from the CI is all above board. This is great news and I am delighted to stand corrected. I'm surprised that there isn't more use made of this loophole, given that fresh 2 strokes are so widely sought on here.
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Happily I am wrong about this
You and me both then Good news for raycey fishermen, too

More good reason to avoid the EU
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Old 31 January 2012, 12:00   #13
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Can someone post the actual landed price to England please?
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Can someone post the actual landed price to England please?
From Mainbrayce earlier today...£1450+VAT+£50 shipping

I'd recommend contacting them if you're interested
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They will give you a very good discount on that price if you contact them.
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Some timely PM assured me that direct sale of 2 strokes to the UK from the CI is all above board.
mmm... interesting interpretation of the RCD that your PM'er has arrived at. "Old tech" 2 strokes don't comply with the RCD emmission regulations and therefore cannot be "placed on the market" in the UK (or elsewhere in the EU). The UK law is clear that "placed on the market" includes "placed into service".

So I think it is clear someone is technically breaking the law by importing an old tech 2 stroke from the Channel Islands for leisure use. The question might be who? Is it a vendor in the CI's or a buyer in the UK.

It could certainly be argued that anyone advertising in the UK, or quoting including delivery to the UK is offering the product on to the UK market, and is the wrong side of the line. If you go to the CI's and buy the goods in person and physically import them yourself then its probably not the vendors concern.

Now whilst technically it is almost certainly illegal (just as others may have illegally imported engines from the USA) - in reality you are very unlikely to get caught because enforcement is the responsibility of trading standard (who are generally clueless on boats and engines) and who have no presence or resources to inspect goods arriving in the UK. Customs won't be interested so long as you are paying the VAT/duty.
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This is great news and I am delighted to stand corrected. I'm surprised that there isn't more use made of this loophole, given that fresh 2 strokes are so widely sought on here.
I agree it is potentially good news because 2 strokes are actually much better in some applications - and as you said in your earlier post typically used very little. However there may be some downsides:

- no manufacturer is going to support warranty on an illegally imported engine; so at best you are looking at return to CI's for faults.
- an insurance claim (e.g. for theft) could get tricky if their loss adjuster spots an excuse to get off the hook.
- there is a risk, albeit tiny, that someone at trading standards suddenly shows some interest and you get in some bother.
- recent threads have highlighted that enforcing contracts beyond UK borders is not trivial and so if something goes wrong it is quite a risk. Credit card might help protect you, but I bet they would try and wriggle off the hook if they thought you were knowingly trying to illegally import goods.
- whilst there would definitely be a resale market for a non-compliant 2 stroke, wise buyers may be suspicious (questioning age claims, or assuming commercial use etc) and so the resale may not be as big as it could be...
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mmm... interesting interpretation of the RCD that your PM'er has arrived at...

So I think it is clear someone is technically breaking the law by importing an old tech 2 stroke from the Channel Islands for leisure use.
Polwart, I have been assured (by a Channel Island vendor who read my post) that everything is completely legal and above board! I've even had a quote from them for an engine - am I now implicated in International Trade lawbreaking?

- looking over my shoulder all day
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... am I now implicated in International Trade lawbreaking?

- looking over my shoulder all day
nothing new there then !
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Have studied this on a few occasions on a general level. Practical implementation of the law and the law it selves might be two different things(this wary a lot pending on location), but if looking strictly on the law/regulation i think it goes like this:

- There is no exception(other than mentioned work, racing...) for the import of old style 2 strokes to EU past 2006. One thing that might be an exception is if the Outboard is originally imported to EU, and later on been sold outside EU. Then it can enter again legally to the best of my knowledge.
- Whose responsibility? That is the "importer" of the goods to EU. In most cases that is considered to be the buyer, even if the seller would have arranged the delivery. If the seller confirms he will act as the importer, then the buyer has less risk.

How much its worth worrying about is another story and again pends on various issues....
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