Llys Helig

Matt · 29 August 2020, 16:47

OK, so not a RIB. But also not really other stuff either, since it's still a boat, and an interesting one at that. I love stuff like this - we all see those wrecks slowly disintegrating in the harbour now and again and if you're like me, I'm always interested in the story of the boat. So it's nice to see someone having a go at saving one.

She's a 1922 Gentlemans yacht, 107' long with an 18' beam.

The story starts in about december 2017 when a houseboat came up for sale on ebay that had relatively recently "fallen over". Nobody bought her - even then she would have required a level of bravery bordering on insanity. And she popped up on ebay a few more times again.

Fast forward to 2020 and an appropriately brave madman has stepped in and the team are working on refloating her to get her taken ashore and restored!

Very interesting story, and I wish them the best of luck in restoring her.

Still on her side
Righting her
Previous owners thoughts. He's not grumpy

Their respective pages - lots of pictures & history:

https://www.llyshelig.com/
https://www.facebook.com/llyshelig1922
https://www.instagram.com/llyshelig/
https://twitter.com/LlysHelig Twitter. Urgh. I hate twitter.

Matt · 30 August 2020, 10:29

Ha Ha! Lord Kennett has moderated me. I even checked the “other stuff” topic list and it said “Non boating discussion”.

Does this mean if I post anything about my hard boat, it has to go in other stuff?

I’ll never learn.

GuyC · 30 August 2020, 14:28

The most valuable bit in all that is the ladder in picture 3. It's all possible though so long as the new owner isn't budget constrained.

Best of luck to them and it will be a lovely boat when finished.

Matt · 30 August 2020, 14:33

It really is, isn’t it. But boats defy logic - I sincerely hope he sees it through to being restored to magnificence. Its gotta be an easy million quid to blow there, I guess

Ferryman · 01 September 2020, 14:29

And then some, I think! I would probably do something similar if I had unlimited money though!!

Matt · 01 September 2020, 14:31

Yeah, think you're probably right. I did consider 2M then 10M - and decided I just have no clue. To do it right, it just has to cost as much as it costs.

Ferryman · 01 September 2020, 19:36

It’s all good for the yard doing the work as well!! [emoji108]

GuyC · 01 September 2020, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Matt

To do it right, it just has to cost as much as it costs.

Very true although this type of owner often has an eye for if you are taking the pi55.

It will be a very interesting project. Unfortunately she is too big to sneak under the 24m length so she will be subject to quite a lot of regulation. It's definitely an area that often has the owner locking horns with the team that is trying to make it meet those regulations. You can bypass them but it decimates the value and attracts the attention of port state control as they assume something fishy is going on.

Matt · 01 September 2020, 20:29

Oo! I’m not familiar with the 24m rule, what is that please?

beamishken · 01 September 2020, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Matt

Oo! I’m not familiar with the 24m rule, what is that please?

Over 24m more rules kick in & I think a commercial skipers licence is required
24m is a big cut off point for motor yachts

Matt · 01 September 2020, 22:04

Got you:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...6/MSN_1858.pdf

"Any skipper of a British flagged private or commercial yacht of this size, operating in UK and many non-UK ports, must hold an RYA Yachtmaster™ Offshore or Ocean Certificate of Competence with a commercial endorsement."

GuyC · 02 September 2020, 17:03

At above 24m, you tend to start getting treated more like a ship. I Googled 24m load line and you get the results in the image (there are pages of them) which will hopefully demonstrate the cut off.

24m waterline length or length overall would be simple so they have confused the issue by creating a seemingly pointless formula to determine the load line length. It has led to a number of interesting designs of wind farm service vessels, for example, that cheat the rules.

HDAV · 02 September 2020, 20:55

24m and 80 gross tonnes iirc, excludes the swim platform....

There is a similar situation with an old Light ship locally Been on a river bank in the mud for years, was bought for scrap, wasn’t scrapped now is a hazard waiting to happen

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifest...ht-42-10423866

Matt · 02 September 2020, 20:56

Llys Helig is 150 tonnes. Minus the swim platform.

Ferryman · 02 September 2020, 21:42

If they’re doing this at all, it will be a basically new boat and will give a little ship yard a massive project.

Matt · 02 September 2020, 21:45

I have asked them many questions.
Including “how bad is it, really?” and “what’s the budget”

Nasher · 03 September 2020, 07:57

Who doesn't love a classic Canoe stern

Matt · 03 September 2020, 08:11

Are you talking full Kim Kardashian or just Kylie Minogue?

If I ever own a yacht, I do love the tapered stern that classic yachts have. I get that modern yachts with a wide stern have many benefits - but they just don't look as nice, IMVHO.

e.g. Ohlson 38, attached. Mildred Rose - a beautiful vessel.

Nasher · 03 September 2020, 13:29

It's been my dream for many years to turn a classic Canoe stern trawler into a Motor-sailer cruising yacht.

Orwell boy · 03 September 2020, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Matt

Are you talking full Kim Kardashian or just Kylie Minogue?

If I ever own a yacht, I do love the tapered stern that classic yachts have. I get that modern yachts with a wide stern have many benefits - but they just don't look as nice, IMVHO.

e.g. Ohlson 38, attached. Mildred Rose - a beautiful vessel.

Saw them rigging this one the other day at levington marina,assumed it was new and built in ipswich ,but i know nothing other than it looks good ,someone enlighten me maybe