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Old 03 September 2020, 16:21   #21
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I don't recognise it (it's not an ohlson 38 I think, but has similar lines).
I know it looks lovely though!
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Old 03 September 2020, 18:39   #22
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I think it is one of these:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/199...-w-76-3478828/
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Interesting link Matt.

There's a site on Facebook called 'Sitting there in a boatyard rotting', which is basically a world-wide pin-board for hard-boats that appear to be abandoned. The owner has either passed away, jumped country or their storage charges are so exorbitant that they've simply abandoned them.

Most are a lost cause, but there are some beautiful boats too. Like Azis, a 30' yacht sailed by Nicolette Milnes-Walker who sailed single-handedly across the Atlantic in 1971. Or a harbour defence launch ML 1392 (renamed Sardina) that was navigation leader at Gold Beach during D-Day in 1944. Once you get into the historical aspect, there's no denying that's a huge driving force to renovate, and of course huge amounts of cash.
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I used to be a member of that exact group. I like a “project”.
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She floats and is only leaking "a bit" - believe they're happy to tow her now.

Next plan is to temporarily paint her and then tow her round to a dry dock in chatham to start more major works.
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I thought painting would be a long way down their things to do list! [emoji23]
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One of the reasons they said is they need reference lines on the hull while she's under tow to make sure she's stable and not sinking. I did read that it's defo just a temporary thing as well and once in dry dock will be all redone properly once the hull is rebuilt/repaired fully. Maybe they just want a "hint" of what she could look like again - I know I've been guilty of that on some projects before.
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She floats and is only leaking "a bit" - believe they're happy to tow her now.

Next plan is to temporarily paint her and then tow her round to a dry dock in chatham to start more major works.
Will be a shame to see her go from our Burnham. I'll keep following the progress and wish you well.
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Painting is always the best way to identify those things you should have done before painting.
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No updates any more. There have been a few alarm bells for me on the way, not least the owner buying leather seats for her along with the ridiculous painting escapades.

All suggested he just didn’t know how far in over his head he is. At least she’s upright now, but I’d wager money she won’t be getting restored by the current owner - I just think he had no clue how outrageously expensive it’ll be to do her properly. Looking forward to being proven wrong though.
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No updates any more. There have been a few alarm bells for me on the way, not least the owner buying leather seats for her along with the ridiculous painting escapades.

All suggested he just didn’t know how far in over his head he is. At least she’s upright now, but I’d wager money she won’t be getting restored by the current owner - I just think he had no clue how outrageously expensive it’ll be to do her properly. Looking forward to being proven wrong though.
IS it in dry dock now or still floating? Another classic lost to the water recently https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...ear-up-4957943
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No idea. I hope I'm totally wrong - I think she's a pretty boat. But I also think he was planning on getting her ship shape again for maybe a few hundred K, but I think you'd need to be talking millions, from some to lots, to make her a nice boat again. The way they did everything didn't hint at there being millions available to spend.
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Whilst she has been around for nearly 100 years, she hasn't had a particularly glamorous life and neither was she involved in Dunkirk / D-Day which gives her historical interest.

Buying the leather chairs is odd but some owners like buying stuff when they see it although those same owners don't tend to post it on a website or, I guess, rely on volunteers to paint the hull.

He may have the £10m or so squirelled away somewhere but a look at his LinkedIn profile doesn't suggest unlimited wealth. I was hopeful when it was first mentioned on here but as time goes on, it is looking less rosy.

Hopefully there aren't too many others with a financial stake in it. The last thing many businesses need at the moment are to be strung along.
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Boat restorations at this size are notoriously expensive. Even the repairs to the hull to make it structurally sound will eat into your initial budget in a matter of weeks, dry berth charges, materials, specialist survey reports, the list goes on. Not sure if the volunteer operation was just to get it to Chatham?

If anyone has been following Stu's steel hull Renko project on Dangar Marine (YouTube) on the other side of the world, then you start to understand the challenge at hand. Here's a marine engineer doing all the work himself with help from friends on the island, and it's taken him hundreds of hours and hard work to get him to the point he is at now.

He has had the Detroit diesel engine out of Renko twice and and has just had it repaired by a specialist who knows these engines intricately after the first shop screwed up on the rebuild. It's utterly compelling viewing in understanding the tolerances of these engines from someone who just knows them.

Back to Llys Helig, we're still in the middle of winter, lockdown obviously, so not surprised there's been no updates. Time will tell though.
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Agreed. And just to really underline it, he wrote the line "I promise to do what I can for you" on the chair "post". That cemented it for me. I checked his LI profile at the beginning of the project too. No LI profile would have been a better indicator of wealth.

Anyway, sincerely hope they pop back up "Ta-da - it's finished".

I was reading about a feadship, Istros, the other day. That looks like a nice job. Kept all her lines, but modern (usuable?) everything else.

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Whilst she has been around for nearly 100 years, she hasn't had a particularly glamorous life and neither was she involved in Dunkirk / D-Day which gives her historical interest.

Buying the leather chairs is odd but some owners like buying stuff when they see it although those same owners don't tend to post it on a website or, I guess, rely on volunteers to paint the hull.

He may have the £10m or so squirelled away somewhere but a look at his LinkedIn profile doesn't suggest unlimited wealth. I was hopeful when it was first mentioned on here but as time goes on, it is looking less rosy.

Hopefully there aren't too many others with a financial stake in it. The last thing many businesses need at the moment are to be strung along.
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Just wondered if anyone had heard any new on this. All their social media updates appear to have ceased. Is the boat still moored @Burnham on Crouch?
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HELLO

This is Howard, the owner of Llys Helig, enjoying reading your comments.

She is still at Burnham - we missed our window to get out before winter last year. She’s come through the winter in pretty good shape for a former wreck which spent three years mainly underwater.

We are getting her ready to move to the Medway for basic repair work on the hull, and she should be on the move in the next few weeks - certainly by the end of June.

Your posters are right that if money was no object then we would have picked her up with a giant crane and taken her off to a shipyard for what would have been many millions of pounds and several years worth of complete rebuild at the end of which almost none of the original boat would probably remain.

It would of course also be cheaper to build a new boat using the original plans.

But what’s the fun in that??

And also, if money was no object there are one of two other perhaps more famous and prestigious candidates out there for a total restoration. One of which I was offered for £1 shortly after buying Llys Helig.

But there is literally no other boat of this size and age - at the very point of being unsalvageable - that could be saved. Everything else pre-war has either been scrapped, sunk or has come through in one piece.

It’s true that superficial painting at this stage was an odd choice, but I think a good idea. To start with it was for towing purposes on the advice of the contractor. But it was also because she just looked awful, covered in barnacles and caked on mud.

It was helpful cosmetically for her upcoming short stay in Medway before she goes into the yard, and, as it turns out, it’s been good to have her look a bit more presentable over the winter in Burnham. The neighbours have certainly appreciated the fact that for the last 6 months she has looked at least cared for rather than the rusty wreck she was for the last 3 years.

20 tins of cheap paint, 20 volunteers, 2 days work, good value I think. It’s probably provided a tiny bit of protection for the painted sections from wind and weather, too.

You’d laugh at the comments from passers-by - who literally cannot believe this is the same boat. She’s riding about 7 metres above where she was when partially submerged.

I also laughed at the comments about whether I’ve taken on more than I bargained for. Of course I have. I bought a sunk 100ft boat on eBay! I’m a lunatic. There is nothing sensible about this project. It’s one of those things where you look at and say, it would be really interesting to do, but obviously crazy. So you don’t do it. Well, this time, I did it.

Put it another way, I’m spending too much time and money on a boat, which is a type of affliction really - I’m sure this is not an unfamiliar story to other members of the forum.

But I’ve had more fun with this so far than pretty much anything else, ever. There’s probably a book in it, at least.

Everyone said, you’ll never get her upright. We did.

Everyone said, well she’ll never float again. She’s floating quite happily thanks.

Now she’s off for a sea voyage and for some new steel. Pretty much everyone is sceptical about that prospect. Let’s see how it goes.

She may have to do a temporary stint as a houseboat again once the hull is done- but we do have the funds to put this old girl back together one section at a time. It may not even be me that gets her to the point of being fully restored and that’s OK. With a boat like this you are always only going to be a temporary custodian.

it’s going to be a journey - and as anyone who has anything to do with boats knows, the journey is often the point, not the arrival.

But at least now there is a destination which is possible, and I’m very happy to be helping her on her way.

Watch www.llyshelig.com for updates . . . She’ll be moving soon.

Howard

PS:If anyone does have a couple of million spare and wants a project, let me know . . . .
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Welcome to the site Howard.
I’m glad you’re still progressing with her, usually radio silence for so many months doesn’t bode well. Either way, you’re certainly years away from needing those chairs, but I hope you get there with her and are fully committed to the monstrous, but worthwhile, amount of expenditure she’ll need.
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Welcome to the forum and good first post.
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If genuine ...A Mamouth undertaking but certainly doable with the right will and resources.
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