Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 21 May 2012, 21:52   #101
awr
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: central scotland
Boat name: bathtub
Make: northcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: mariner 90, 4stroke
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 11
Hi,10am on sat at PE good for us too,looking forward to a good trip.Alan
__________________

__________________
awr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 May 2012, 08:55   #102
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
MMSI: 235068449
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,650
Kev,

Is that the stretch between the rail bridge & the "M9" weir, Bridge of Allan in the Background, or is it first corner downriver of the rowing club? If the latter what time on which day did you take it?


Quote:
Originally Posted by 9D280 View Post
I'll post back once I have figured it all out
Well, this may need further investigatiion.

10 will be plenty for a departure tirme. We could leave at half ten & still get to Kinkardine in time to meet the Canal posse.

This is where it all gets complicated. The notes I got related to departing from Stirling on a rising tide with a 4' draft boat. The main issue being the "rapids" that form at low tide on the corner round from the rowing club. If my calcs are right, it should have at least 5' of water approx 25 mins either side of high tide. (based on what the "Maryhill" needs for safe navigation)

Now, the times etc I used were based on a 5MPH (not knot) speed but it would appear that if we continue upriver at a higher speed, then we could potentially arrive on the up side of high tide, get a half decent stay, and return (and this is where I am guessing a LOT) potentially 1 hr after high, and still be able to get downriver.

As the tide his high, there should be sufficient draft to make 10 or so Knots safely over the ground, as there are strong outgoing currents, and at high tide plenty of depth (for a rib!) The marks on the briidge piers in Kev's photos show the kind of HW depth available - similar amounts of mud can be seen around the a91 bridge at low tide.

The ford at Cambus will likely be the "party point" where we need to break out the disposable BBQs on the mudbank! I am not going to post thoughts on timing over it just yet, as I worked that lot out in a sunny beer garden attatched to a pub with a pleasant selection of real ales. Suffice to say I want to recheck my figures in the cold light of day....

More anon
__________________

__________________
9D280 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 May 2012, 14:30   #103
kev
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Clackmannanshire
Boat name: SEAMATE
Make: Avon
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40 hp 2 Stroke
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 75
Its the bit after the two bridges heading towards the weir.
__________________
kev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 May 2012, 09:52   #104
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
MMSI: 235068449
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,650
Kev, thanks.

One thing that the F&C Soc guys worked out that was to leave the Rowing club on a falling tide to clear both the "rapids" downstream of the rowing club and Cambus Ford (bnoth with at least 5' of depth) would need a speed over land of 8.5MPH (7.4 Knots)

For the Ribs doing a day trip that should be feasible as we can do a lot more speed and draw about half of what the Maryhill does...

Any of you daytrippers got a forward firing sonar?
__________________
9D280 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 May 2012, 11:06   #105
SPR
Trade member
 
SPR's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Central Belt of Scotland
Boat name: Puddleduck III
Make: Bombard
Length: 5m +
Engine: 50 HP
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,066
so ...how many are going for the day? what time you leaving to head back at? want me to try arrange something shoreside for you? if so
whatine you arriving ? if possible would be great for you to meet cansl boats at 330 to arrive in one! even if you are there earlier?

scott<@>sprmarine.co.uk is my email addy.


regards
__________________
SPRmarine / SPRtraining
RYA Training Courses & Safety Equipment Sales
SPR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 May 2012, 15:20   #106
kev
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Clackmannanshire
Boat name: SEAMATE
Make: Avon
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40 hp 2 Stroke
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 75
I will be coming for the day at the moment, but maybe both days.
We could meet up at the River Carron for those coming from South Queensferry.

Kevin
__________________
kev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 May 2012, 21:44   #107
awr
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: central scotland
Boat name: bathtub
Make: northcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: mariner 90, 4stroke
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 11
Hi Scott,we are a rib with 4 people(was 2)and are saturday only at the moment.Regarding times,we will just run with the others and go with the flow.Our concern is depth for launch and recovery at PE outwith high water times,but hey, there is always a way.Keep up the good work.Alan
__________________
awr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 May 2012, 08:39   #108
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
MMSI: 235068449
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,650
I'm on a day trip unless I get totally grounded

The canal boats are actually quite restricted with regard to timings - Not only do they have the Ford at Cambus to worry about, but there is a very small window of time to get out of the canal & under the M9 where depth and air draft are optimised - I know the "Maryhill" has somethig like a half hour slot to get through, so the River Carron meet may not be optimal for everyone.

If we are lanching at PE, and I assume we can all do 18 Knots throug hthe water minimum, what might be a more sensible option is a meet at Kinkardine (where it gets shallow, so might not be advisable to plane) The planned timings I was told for the F&C boat were Carron mouth 1045, Kinkardine bridge 1120. At 18 knots that's a 10:40 departure from PE, or at a slightly pessimistic 15 Knots ground speed (tide is still falling at that point) call it a 1030 dep from PE. (That pays no attention to the ease of launch at that time, but is simply departure time!)

We could feasibly then all "cruise in company" to the event, (see my thoughts in previous posts above for thoughts on departure time). I reckon Kev's original "out by 4" might not be too far off the mark if we are leaving from the Rowing club, but worst case we could still avoid this (56.126927,-3.924544 into google maps), moor up here (56.123243,-3.930445) and possibly scrounge a lift or walk back to the Rowing club for a later departure?

Only posible snags to that plan might be 56.128896,-3.907716 and the Ford -56.126879,-3.882047, neither of which we have good data for......
__________________
9D280 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 May 2012, 11:33   #109
Member
 
macattack101's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: livingston
Boat name: the massive
Make: valiant
Length: 6m +
Engine: honda BF115
MMSI: 235092322
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 200
RIBase
Guys the Google map site isn't the best for looking at these. Try the bing maps and get a fright. Set it to birds eye view. I have 6 shallows spotted. It may be exciting but a bit of prep will see us ok.
I would prefer to go up in a group from Pe leaving at 10.30. Shall we compile a list of boats? We could ask PE to clear the slip and some parking for the group. We could also have a couple of guys in waders helping on the slip to save loads of time. I am happy to do that.
Colin
__________________
macattack101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 May 2012, 13:26   #110
kev
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Clackmannanshire
Boat name: SEAMATE
Make: Avon
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40 hp 2 Stroke
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 75
I can also help with launching at PE , waders at the ready.

Kev
__________________
kev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 May 2012, 14:58   #111
Member
 
macattack101's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: livingston
Boat name: the massive
Make: valiant
Length: 6m +
Engine: honda BF115
MMSI: 235092322
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 200
RIBase
Thanks Kev

We can charge the usual helpers fee...50 per boat each way!!!

Looking at the whole thread I have compiled a list of those who have noted interest.
Of the 12 below can you confirm who is launching at PE and if you are still coming so that SPR can let the organisors know the size of the rabble in ribs!

Glenna - 51ROB20
Puddleduck - SPR
Snagglepuss - Dave (clydeoutboards)
Imposter - Polwort
No boat name -Deano
Seamate - Kev
Wildheart - 9D280
Spindrift - Zodiac Spindrift
Volante - Shog69
Bathtub - AWR
Marlin - Dougcrock
Massive - Colin (macattack101)

Cheers
Colin
__________________
macattack101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 May 2012, 20:19   #112
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Livingston
Boat name: Volante
Make: Osprey Eagle 5.6m
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner Optimax 125
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 94
Aye, I will be there, think Western Light - Loudy and Jumper - Sirewan are also coming, but will confirm that later.
__________________
Shog69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 May 2012, 08:09   #113
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Glasgow
Boat name: snagglepuss
Make: Shetland
Length: 6m +
Engine: 90 hp Outboard
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 562
Hi

if there are 12 boats launching at PE this is going to take some time and there will be a lot of space needed for trailers and cars.

This will be even worse recovering them so are we 100% that there will be enough water when we come back to get all 12 boats out?

also can you just confirm that we will have at least 5 feet of water if we leave at the right times.

looking forward to this.

Dave
__________________
clydeoutboards is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 May 2012, 09:31   #114
Member
 
macattack101's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: livingston
Boat name: the massive
Make: valiant
Length: 6m +
Engine: honda BF115
MMSI: 235092322
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 200
RIBase
Dave the launching will take a while but thats why Kev and I have volunteered to don waders and save on people getting in and out of cars etc. As long as we all have the trailers ready to go in the water then it should be slick...until a class of laser pilots descend that is.
__________________
macattack101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 May 2012, 09:37   #115
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Glasgow
Boat name: snagglepuss
Make: Shetland
Length: 6m +
Engine: 90 hp Outboard
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 562
great cheers for the reply as my good lady has decided to come ( I was more thinking lads day out) and has now started asking questions!

Dave
__________________
clydeoutboards is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 May 2012, 19:54   #116
SPR
Trade member
 
SPR's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Central Belt of Scotland
Boat name: Puddleduck III
Make: Bombard
Length: 5m +
Engine: 50 HP
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,066
great to see good turn out - Dave give me bell if you still want space at rowing club for stall ...
__________________
SPRmarine / SPRtraining
RYA Training Courses & Safety Equipment Sales
SPR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 May 2012, 20:24   #117
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,537
Guys unfortunately I can't make the Saturday, weather, family, work etc dependent I may be around on the Forth on the Sunday though.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 May 2012, 07:11   #118
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Livingston
Boat name: Volante
Make: Osprey Eagle 5.6m
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner Optimax 125
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 94
Just seen the date, I'm dong safety boat at the regatta in Dunbar that weekend
__________________
Shog69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 May 2012, 17:23   #119
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
MMSI: 235068449
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,650
I only used Google coz it was handy! Does bing have a sat photo at low tide?
__________________
9D280 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 May 2012, 08:55   #120
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
MMSI: 235068449
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,650
D'oh. Small screen on "Edge" - I totally missed a screen of postsyesterday.

I will be there for the day on Saturday, at the moment single handed, but I may have a crew.

I am only 40 mins down the road, so a 9am launch is feasible, meaning I could be well clear of the slip & help as required.

Another high level thought for those heading back on Sat- I'm packing dinner - just in case we get the maths wrong!
Mackattack - where have you seen those shallows? it would be interesting to compare notes.
Comparing the google earth satellite photo with the chart, for example, the ford at cambus (unsurprisingly) seems to have shifted upriver by potentially 100 yds when comparing the "satellite shadows" to the chart.
__________________

__________________
9D280 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT. The time now is 02:02.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.