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Old 22 October 2013, 10:46   #121
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I feel I need to add this before MattH gets a barrage of abuse. We have been out to Dolphin Bank many times to play in the waves. The original AJ stag do cruise last year we did the same thing and uploaded videos but there were no comments of being wreckless or a dumb thing to do. The difference this time is a boat rolled over which I think we can all agree on is not a good thing to happen.

I just want to point to my earlier post that I did just get on film the boat going over the problem was it was a good old distance away. By moving through the footage frame by frame and 2 inches away from the screen I can see that before the boat flipped the boat was not moving at speed had not just taken off a wave and was in a following sea then a wave span it over as I could see the rear port tube go over the top.

So looking at "measured risk" there is always a possibility that things can go wrong, i have no doubt if my engine had failed I could have been in MattH position. Admittedly I don't drive my boat as hard a Matt does but wonder if I would get the same comments or are people judging Matt based on the earlier footage and not that the engine stalled in big waves.

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Old 22 October 2013, 10:57   #122
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He is out playing in waves in a confined area (the bank) with two support boats bigger than him. Is that not exactly what the Zap Cats do in the surf?

He is not endangering anyone else, nor overly relying on volunteer emergency services. He hasn't done anything stupid, has safety gear with him. I don't see the problem.

My wife however said if i went out and behaved like that she would kill me, as i have two kids. What if the boat hit him etc? Well that is his call IMHO.

If we lambast everyone who posts on here, people will stop posting.

The quote below purports to actions that are arguably more irresponsible....
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I just want to point to my earlier post that I did just get on film the boat going over the problem was it was a good old distance away. By moving through the footage frame by frame and 2 inches away from the screen I can see that before the boat flipped the boat was not moving at speed had not just taken off a wave and was in a following sea then a wave span it over as I could see the rear port tube go over the top.
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Might be interesting for everyone to be able to see that.

In general the RIBnet conclusion in the past has been that RIBs don't generally just flip unexpectedly but are by and large caused by people pushing the envelope too far - is this an exception to that rule? Maybe, or maybe driving the rib in a way that got the engine wet and caused the problem is the root cause.

I know video always flattens the sea - but the conditions during the recovery don't look that bad. Certainly I've been out in worse, with a smaller boat and might have felt vulnerable but didn't expect to capsize.
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Love to know which bit was reckless? Going to sea with a evinrude? Or the coils gettting wet and creating a missfire in a following sea. Of course its never happened to anybody ever has it! Doh!
Is it not obvious that the reason it conked, if it genuinely conked, was because you'd dunked it arse first on multiple occasions leading up to the flip.
There was a very good chance that that boat was going over, with or without an engine 'misfire'.

Let's be honest, you wear the 'Yeehaa' badge with total pride and it was only a matter of time before it went wrong.

You were taking it to the extreme, 'coz that's what 'crazy' Matt does.
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AJ, not sure whether it is just me, but your first video appears to be set to private. Doh, just read your following post.
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No one got hurt, nothing got broken.

No one was called out. No rescue resource was wasted... as it wasn't needed.

You can go out on a flat day and all of the above could not be true by the end of it.

An engine can quit at anytime....

Case closed.......
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An engine can quit at anytime....

Case closed.......
A pointless remark and why closed?
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A pointless remark and why closed?
As I was there.....
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As I was there.....
and.........?
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and.........?
And what?
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And what?
And why does you being there, give you the authority to end all discussion on the matter?
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Old 22 October 2013, 12:19   #132
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And why does you being there, give you the authority to end all discussion on the matter?
Ah...the pedantic ....what fun....case closed in my opinion, having been there in person, having edited the video to make it look 'wild'. Ok for you? Any other case I have to answer?

Verdict...guilty I'm assuming(of what Christ knows!)
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Jeesh guys. Getting a little erm...

7412 vs 4655. Based on performance you two could go at it for some time!
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Jeesh guys. Getting a little erm...

7412 vs 4655. Based on performance you two could go at it for some time!
Yep...I'm a train...got hours to have fun.....

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Not condoning - or supporting (staying neutral as always).... but 'shit' happens.
Even to the experts (this weekend too)
Port Isaac RNLI lifeboat capsizes on routine exercise | This is Cornwall

And as the RNLI pointed out, 'their crews followed the correct procedure, no one was hurt...........'
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Old 22 October 2013, 12:40   #136
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Mollers. Go tell em they were wreckless as well as see what happens!
Difference is if my outboard hadnt of given up 90% of its power .then i wouldnt have been in that situation. Ive been thrashing that surf for more than 11 years and never had engine failure with any of my yamaha engines!
Sh-t happens. If you can enjoy the ride then all the better.
Seems to be the people who shout the loudest do the least boating!!
If this scares you, which would be lack if understanding or offends you:get advice or help as it doesnt us. Just good fun.!!
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Mollers. Go tell em they were wreckless as well as see what happens!
Hook baited ...line cast.....ready to pull in.......
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Old 22 October 2013, 12:58   #138
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Hmmm, when we discussed on Saturday night about posting up the videos we did think of the arm chair ribnet police jumping all over this. However we felt it was worth publishing as it showed how quickly things can go wrong and shares experiences with like minded people interested in boating. Also we felt that the recovery was worth publishing as without blowing are own trumpets felt that we did a good job of turning the boat back over and getting Matt out of the water.

I was most surprised to see you Mollers being the arm chair police especially as I recall a thread you posted not long ago about boring home made videos being published here and that you don't watch them

I personally think there was more good to be had out of showing the video for others but I am disappointed the thread has turned into "hand bags at dawn" and to minimise any further derogatory comments to MattH I and others have pulled the videos.

As Humber P4VWL said all this does it stop people posting due to a fear of negative comments
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I suspect that the truth is that the Cornish RNLI were wreckless but not reckless!
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Not condoning - or supporting (staying neutral as always).... but 'shit' happens. Even to the experts (this weekend too) Port Isaac RNLI lifeboat capsizes on routine exercise | This is Cornwall And as the RNLI pointed out, 'their crews followed the correct procedure, no one was hurt...........'
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