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Old 21 January 2005, 10:47   #31
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I think basically shit does happen and events can conspire to catch you out, for this reason we all have insurance, even if your really careful things can go wrong and Ribs arn't the infallable craft we all seem to believe in, yes they will take on the rough stuff but get it wrong and your in the shit in big style.
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Old 21 January 2005, 11:45   #32
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Well, ships may not readily have to worry about flipping but they do have to worry about rogue waves and the consequences!

Not sure which is the worst scenario.....?
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Old 21 January 2005, 11:45   #33
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Surely "flippyness" is mostly to do with the design of the boat and the weight distribution? some designs are notably more notorious than others and if you have a dead weight of an engine on the back with a dirty great amount of torque/thrust then the bows are going to come up and whoops!

Boat set up is essential, as are the conditions on which the boat is operating, i think a few of us have highlighted the "risk" areas well on this thread.

I think its possible on rivers where you go under a bridge at speed and you get a few rollers due to the tide/ current arond the bridge. One moment its nice and flat, the next youre on a fair old lumpy suface that is not just a simple jump. Thats whats nearly caught me out, not out in a heavy sea.

It doesnt have to be a rib, but if you dont want it to flip, youre going to have to be going for a ship... sorry, i know that doesnt rhyme!

Couldn't agree more - people seem so afraid of stuffing that they put all the weight at the back - humber seem one of the few to put the console at the front.

Obviously on commercial boats the console is at the back as the weight comes from the passengers but when the boat is empty it is a different story!!!
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Old 21 January 2005, 14:05   #34
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I'm glad I was able to bring about a serious discussion on something we all should be aware of: what can cause a flip and how to equip ourselves for those of us that venture offshore.

Since we could be talking life or death. If I had a rib for offshore fishing, I would want to equip it with a self righting bag plus a system where I could restart the motor if possible. Furthermore I would wear a full 1/4 inch wet suit or dry suit. Finally I would have strapped to my leg a beacon device that sends distress signals to a satellite. Expensive? Yes, but how much is your life worth?

Since we are sharing flip stories, I have one. I don't have a rib, its a Zodiac with an inflatable keel. When I was much younger, my brother and I launched my Zodiac on the beach in Pacifica, a small town on the coast just south of San Francisco to go salmon fishing. At that time I had an old 12hp motor on the boat. As a precaution I took a 3hp motor as a back up.

Well, 50 yards offshore my prop hit a submerged rock and busted the shear pin. I had no spare parts (stupid) so I took off the 12hp an put on the 3hp motor. Imagine being offshore in the Pacific with the wind and swells picking up (as they do here in the afternoon) and all you have is a 3hp motor! Well, just motoring among the swells was no so bad. It was coming in that I was soon to learn.

When we attempted to come ashore there were big rollers crashing on to the beach. As we were coming in, we found ourselves at the top of a wave. I say that because by the sound of the motor it must have been spinning in air. The next thing I new the boat flipped and my brother and I were in the water. Fortunately it was close to shore and we were wearing full wet suits. Some of the stuff we had was floating, that did not float was lost. The sea washed us close to shore enough that my brother and I could stand up and grab the boat. When we realized we were both safe we gave out a big laugh over the exhilarating experience. It was fun but it would have been much more serious if it happened several miles offshore.

Inflatables go offshore at that location frequently and come in safely when the surf is up. I watched then come in. First, then have a motor capable of maintaining a speed equal to greater the speed of the waves coming in. They then wait offshore for a big wave to develop and then come in the right behind it.
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Old 21 January 2005, 14:39   #35
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Excluding being rolled inshore whilst launching. Which is covered by having enough bodies, judging the conditions, it`s always possible to say no the conditions don`t allow launching safely. Learn to drive the boat. I was very proud to be on a Diver coxwain assessment course as an instructor and to hear the chief examiner talking about the only people he has never had Polaris a Rib off a wave. He put it down to the only common link he saw between the two of us, apart from the fact she was my wife, the link was we were both motorcyclists of long experiance. He surmised that the common links of much higher horsepower for the conditions, hand throttles and skill in judging the "road" had caused this skill. Ok she has since left me and bought a Hard Dive boat and I have a new female , also a biker and very good at handling the Rib in poor conditions, but it`s a thought. Maybe learn a hand throttle vehicle in conditions where too much throttle can loop you on to tarmac with an 18 wheeler on your arse and Ribs become more controlable.
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Old 21 January 2005, 16:32   #36
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Excluding being rolled inshore whilst launching. Which is covered by having enough bodies, judging the conditions, it`s always possible to say no the conditions don`t allow launching safely. Learn to drive the boat. I was very proud to be on a Diver coxwain assessment course as an instructor and to hear the chief examiner talking about the only people he has never had Polaris a Rib off a wave. He put it down to the only common link he saw between the two of us, apart from the fact she was my wife, the link was we were both motorcyclists of long experiance. He surmised that the common links of much higher horsepower for the conditions, hand throttles and skill in judging the "road" had caused this skill. Ok she has since left me and bought a Hard Dive boat and I have a new female , also a biker and very good at handling the Rib in poor conditions, but it`s a thought. Maybe learn a hand throttle vehicle in conditions where too much throttle can loop you on to tarmac with an 18 wheeler on your arse and Ribs become more controlable.
Er did anyone else get any of that !!
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Just a few photo's of waves that could flip RIBs.
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Re waves that could flip a rib

OK now I'm scared
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Old 22 January 2005, 06:36   #40
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Couldn't agree more - people seem so afraid of stuffing that they put all the weight at the back - humber seem one of the few to put the console at the front.

Obviously on commercial boats the console is at the back as the weight comes from the passengers but when the boat is empty it is a different story!!!

XS-Ribs also put the majority of the weight up the front, and like myself you can ask for it to be put a little bit further forward if you like. Mine was purely for deck space, but on the trip back across the channel there were a couple of times that the wind caught the underside and having the weight at the front was a blessing...........I'm not sure what would have happened if it had been laid out like a commercial boat with the helm position at the back!
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