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Old 31 July 2014, 18:00   #31
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Depending which trailer you buy quite often the main draw bar is bolted in & can be unbolted so you could do the same thing just need to look for a trailer manufactured that way
Ok it's more hassle than the us types but still an option
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Old 31 July 2014, 19:01   #32
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Depending which trailer you buy quite often the main draw bar is bolted in & can be unbolted so you could do the same thing just need to look for a trailer manufactured that way
Ok it's more hassle than the us types but still an option
That is the other option I mentioned but here in the USA they do it with a pin like this.


The reality is what is the difference from above to this?


You guys in the UK do not get to use some of the best features available like hydraulic brakes, and swing away tongue trailers. The logic is just not there...
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Old 01 August 2014, 16:19   #33
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Its not only UK, its EU and CE type approvals making life sometimes slightly difficult.....
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That is the other option I mentioned but here in the USA they do it with a pin like this.


The reality is what is the difference from above to this?


You guys in the UK do not get to use some of the best features available like hydraulic brakes, and swing away tongue trailers. The logic is just not there...
One possible difference may be the breakaway cable. So if I had a detachable towbar I'd attach by breakaway to something else. If the towbar comes off the breakaway activates just like it jumped off the ball so on an unbraked it drops on to the chain on a braked it applies breaks and hopefully no major disaster...?

If the chain / breakaway is on the forward section you can loose the back section.
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Old 02 August 2014, 02:27   #35
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As others have said, you won't get a 4.7m rib in a 5m garage. The internal length of my garage is 5.15m and my 4.3 rib with engine on trailer (with a relatively short drawbar length fits with about 75mm to spare.

Also, the 2.1m width will limit your options unless you're willing to deflate the tubes every time you put it in and out.
The width shouldn't be a problem. Most domestic up and over garage doors will accommodate an inflatable, at roughly 8' wide. Trouble is length. My garage is 18" (5.5m) long and holds Ribcraft 4.8m, with a few inches to spare.
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The width shouldn't be a problem. Most domestic up and over garage doors will accommodate an inflatable, at roughly 8' wide. Trouble is length. My garage is 18" (5.5m) long and holds Ribcraft 4.8m, with a few inches to spare.
What's the Ribcraft like on the sea? I think this is the one that convinced me a lot.
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One possible difference may be the breakaway cable. So if I had a detachable towbar I'd attach by breakaway to something else. If the towbar comes off the breakaway activates just like it jumped off the ball so on an unbraked it drops on to the chain on a braked it applies breaks and hopefully no major disaster...?

If the chain / breakaway is on the forward section you can loose the back section.
If you watch one of the installation videos for the folding tongue they do move the chains behind the pivot point. The only reason I know the answer is because I watched one, otherwise I would probably be saying the same thing. It just doesn't make sense why they don't allow them.
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They aren't explicitly not permitted as far as I know. But you'd need to get type approval for it which is not going to be cheap so presumably kills a small market by the extra cost...


It may be possible to take it through the one off approval route but you'd need to be keen.

Someone who knows trainer law will be along in a moment to tell me which subsection of paragraph x of avg y would specifically prevent it...
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That's quite expensive.
I'd pay3.5-4k for the boat + 5-6k for the engine + whatever the trailer is.
If I was to go for SR, I'd go for 4.7m, but it's so hard to find them SH.
You need to realign your expectations! budget, new (products nearly new) and your aspirations don't match.





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What about SR4.7? And you're right, 25miles it's a bit too much, but I still need to get 15-17nm to get to the fishing marks.
Are these 17 miles offshore or 17miles from your planned launch point. Very different issues! My boat could meet all your wants if it was 17 mile hop along the coast. 17 miles offshore would be a fairly serious adventure and extremely weather dependant.


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Because it can handle better seas and it's more economical for the same size compared to a solid hull. That's as far as I'm aware. I might be wrong, though.
Not sure why a rib is economical. The boat costs more and the engine and wet part of the hull determine efficiency. there are fairly capable hardboats around. Many of them are targeted at sea angling. Of course many ribbers use their boats for angling too but the compromises might mean the benefits are diluted.
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You need to realign your expectations! budget, new (products nearly new) and your aspirations don't match.
Really?
You could get a brand new 50HP engine within his budget. (Probably under budget). The hull is more of a challenge if its to be new... but you wont find many new 4.7 hulls. You should be able to pick one up for 4k after selling the engine on if its not new enough...?

You could pick up a brand new Highfield OM460 with no engine for 14-16k. depending on Valmex or Orca tubes. I'd expect a two year old (wont be many about) to cost no more than 70% of that?
What happened to Black Panther it was for sale?

Or and XPRO 420 with a 30 HP engine. 30 sounds bit light in power but remember the boat is lighter as its aluminium. You'd get 23kts out of that. Probably similar to you'd get for a 40HP on an SR4?. Thats brand new AFAIK and costs 10k plus trailer (700)- bang on budget.
Or you might be able to get one with a 40hp suzi on for the same gold coins...
Used one (1 year old) with a 30 available for 9000 of your gold coins already on a trailer, plus some electronics on the console.

I could get a 2010 4.5m Valiant (I still consider 2010 reasonably new?) for 9k on a trailer with a (?same age) 60 on the back...

He's constrained by the garage size so that implicitly constrains the hull size and therefore price...
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