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Old 10 June 2014, 05:25   #31
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"IF" it's the second full moon after the third Sunday after Septuagesima, an unconscious casualty so attired could feasibly float legs up, due to the extra buoyancy provided by the neoprene in the lower regions. Akin to a inversion in a drysuit, hence why you should wear a 275N lifejacket when wearing a drysuit. It's not so much a case of wetsuits being buoyant, it's where the extra buoyancy is.

OK, so the physics make sense (As long as its a steamer at least 4mm thick ), but basically you are saying that if you go into the water unconscious without a lifejacket with a half fitted wetsuit you will drown. Agreed

But if you go into the water unconscious without a lifejacket NOT wearing a half fitted wetsuit you will drown as well.

Therefore no extra risk from wearing a half fitted wetsuit.

As we all know, dry suits are a different kettle of fish.
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but basically you are saying that if you go into the water unconscious without a lifejacket with a half fitted wetsuit you will drown. Agreed

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Nope, absolutely not, you are twisting my worms I put enough caveats in my statement to make it pretty clear that's not what I was saying. Maybe I was being too subtle, which would be a first

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As we all know, dry suits are a different kettle of fish.
Not necessarily, buoyant is as buoyant does, regardless of the source.
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Nope, absolutely not, you are twisting my worms I put enough caveats in my statement to make it pretty clear that's not what I was saying. Maybe I was being too subtle, which would be a first
I'm agreeing with your logic



With my "comfortable frame" a wetsuit doesnt provide any where near enough buoyancy to flip me, but a drysuit can turn me into an inverted Weeble in seconds
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If you go to the beaches of Cornwall and Devon this summer you will see loads of kids and adults boogie boarding / surfing with the top half of their wetsuits or shorties rolled down and as yet.... I have not seen anyone bobbing about in the water inverted against their wishes because of this. Drysuit is a different matter IMO.
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if you're conscious and a reasonable swimmer then ulikely to be a problem but if for some reason you are debilitated then it increases risk
so for me & my kids if were in the water or likely to be then its wetsuits on & ba's on even then the recommendation is ba's only to be worn when rescue is close at hand became a ba wont turn a casualty face up
all other times its full lifejackets that will turn a casualty
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I was on windermere not long ago and I noticed that there is a new style of wearing a wetsuit with the top half dangling around your legs and no BA. I know from experience if you fall in the wetsuit WILL take you down. I see this on windsurfers wake boards. Something that stood out to me was a stand up paddle board in the middle of the lake doing this alone with no other people around. I understand that if people want to put there own safety on the line it is up to them but someone will have to come and look for them.
'I know from experience if you fall in the wetsuit WILL take you down' - This is the quote i'm struggling with, I say struggling, its total BS

Any floatation device or clothing worn inappropriately could affect the WAY you float, but wet suits are buoyant!! Wet suits don't 'take you down', chuck one in the sea................they float ( something to do with the millions of tiny air bubbles trapped in the wetsuits material )
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yeh but if the buoyancy is mostly below the waist you will float feet up so unless u can breathe through your ar$e then its dangerous
Bit extreme, you going to be playing in/on the water with your wet suit either round your knees or feet............really?
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Bit extreme, you going to be playing in/on the water with your wet suit either round your knees or feet............really?
well if its round your waist and you go in head first or you fall from a moving boat then it could easily end up round your ankles
whilst the post was extreme it was meant light heartedly
the point is if equipment is worn as intended then people would be much safer & that can only be a good thing
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well if its round your waist and you go in head first or you fall from a moving boat then it could easily end up round your ankles
whilst the post was extreme it was meant light heartedly
the point is if equipment is worn as intended then people would be much safer & that can only be a good thing
Maybe if the wetsuit was 8 sizes too large
I'm 100% with you on boat and user safety , which is why is annoys me so much when you read misleading crap on the internet, the naive can get easily mislead
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