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Old 09 June 2014, 03:53   #1
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Unbelievable Ribbers!

I was out diving yesterday, just south of the IoW on a large commercial hardboat. On the way back in we pulled in to Yarmouth to fill the dive boat fuel tanks.

On the fuelling pontoon, a Ribeye 500 pulled up clumsily next to us - it looked to be an old one with a Yammy 90 2-stroke on it (I only know cos the skipper asked for 2-stroke oil at the kiosk and then added it).

The boat had 10 adults and two young (10-12yrs?) boys on it and it was sat really low in the water - only the two boys had lifejackets on (but not fastened up) and everyone onboard (even the skipper) had wine or beer in their hand! They were "merry" and had obviously been out in the sun all day. And yup, the killcord was hanging in the breeze.

There's no wonder accidents happen. Grrr!
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I was on Windermere yesterday, 3 guys on or in inflatable dinghys or inflatable kayaks. No tops on, drinking and no BAs... accident waiting to happen.
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I was on Windermere yesterday, 3 guys on or in inflatable dinghys or inflatable kayaks. No tops on, drinking and no BAs... accident waiting to happen.

Why?

Not to be antagonistic, but if adults who can swim are on a lake, near the shore, playing in an inflatable and canoe on a sunny day, drinking responsibly, I don't see a need for a BA at all. No tops on has no bearing whatsoever.

I swam in the sea next to a yacht with no BA on after a couple of beers on sat in Newton Ferrers. We put a line out the back with a bouy in case it was cold and we cramped on entry and the tide took us. People on board were watching, where's the harm.

As for the first post, that sounds more serious. In terms of overloading, moving at speed in open water and children etc
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Some people will only learn the hard way,unfortunately they usually hurt others or put people in danger.


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Old 09 June 2014, 05:46   #5
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Sunstroke...

I had a cap on and factor 30 an di still burnt in a short period.

You had a line to a buoy, these guys were in the middle of the lake, the wind was quite strong n-s and there was a fair bit of chap from passing vessels.

Only my opinion but they were not prepared.
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Why?

Not to be antagonistic, but if adults who can swim are on a lake, near the shore, playing in an inflatable and canoe on a sunny day, drinking responsibly, I don't see a need for a BA at all. No tops on has no bearing whatsoever.
Of course no tops on has a bearing - it's the Hallmark of a Terwat. It means he's just taken his "wifebeater" off to show the world he's a man...

Drinking and watersports aren't a happy combination. IMO, keep the beer for a quick one at lunch and for afterwards.

MEN RESCUED OFF DONEGAL COAST AFTER €50 DINGHY DRIFTED OUT TO SEA | Donegal Daily
TWO MORE PEOPLE RESCUED BY COAST GUARD AFTER GOING OUT TO SEA IN €50 SUPERMARKET DINGHY | Donegal Daily

Those are two incidents, BTW.
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[QUOTE=HUMBER P4VWL;624479]Why?

Not to be antagonistic, but if adults who can swim are on a lake, near the shore, playing in an inflatable and canoe on a sunny day, drinking responsibly, I don't see a need for a BA at all. No tops on has no bearing whatsoever.

I suppose you dont know the bodys first reaction when suddenly imersed in cold water is to inhale?
windermere can be only a few degree's in deeper areas
the post doesnt mention the guys swimming
it is totaly different going in for a swim than faling in unexpectedly your body reacts completely differently
id also say drink and swimming is a nono as it affects so many of the bodys functions not least mental capacity
you need to do some homework for your own safety
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Almost given up trying education route, starting to think legislation may work, this weekend, so many out on The Itchen, Southampton Water, The Hamble, Cowes Medina, Osbourne Bay- No kill cords ( all dangling in view) on so many RIBs of all sizes, children riding on bow without life jackets. So many I gave up taking piccies. Harbour masters state they are at their wits end and local marine police still stopping and advising so many- YET- no change. How many deaths /injuries b4 something gives
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Not just RIBs. This was Stonehaven today. Boat had lost its prop. Although it was warm today, the picture is deceptive, there was quite a wind, and the sea looks choppy. No life-jacket in sight... just beggars belief.

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As a newbie to ribbing , I was gob smacked at the fact that I could by a powerful boat and take it out on open water . I had no experience whatsoever and on one hand seems mad that I could have gone straight out on it . (Only I didn't actually know how to un hitch it !!)!

On the other hand the freedom of the water and lack of too many rules is what attracted me . I read a lot and did my pb2 before going out and am learning s**t loads of you guys .

I to have been surprised at what I have seen in my short time on the water .

It's seems like a hard one to call in terms of regulations . I run my own tree surgery business and everything is regulated to the nth degree . But there are still cowboys out there operating without qualifications, insurance, risk assessments etc .




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So many I gave up taking piccies..
You'll be getting a visit from Yewtree

Seriously, why bother with someone else's problems? There are idiots in every walk of life, if they want to kill themselves, let them get on with it, whilst you get on with your life. I certainly don't waste my life worrying about w4nkers that I can't do anything about.

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for me a lifejacket is like a seatbelt - without it you just dont feel right. drinking in my opinion is a nono - just as with driving if youre only going to have one or two, then whats the point in having any? play it safe and save it til later.
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There are idiots in every walk of life, if they want to kill themselves, let them get on with it, whilst you get on with your life.
I'm all for that! What I object to is their disregard for the lives of anyone who might be tasked with their rescue.
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Seriously, why bother with someone else's problems? There are idiots in every walk of life, if they want to kill themselves, let them get on with it, whilst you get on with your life. I certainly don't waste my life worrying about w4nkers that I can't do anything about.
+1

You'd be amazed (and obviously appalled) at what happens over here. It just gets the stupid ones out of the gene pool....
(we do have rules about wearing PFD's for kids here but not adults).

And I paddled a surfboard (no paddle) 32 miles between Hawaiian Islands last year with no PDF either...
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I'm all for that! What I object to is their disregard for the lives of anyone who might be tasked with their rescue.
or the lives of those people they may crash into
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not preaching, but just thought there were too many "not quite right things" in one place.


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How many deaths /injuries b4 something gives
Actually whilst every death or life changing injury is a tragedy - especially if easily avoidable - there really aren't that many are there?

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What I object to is their disregard for the lives of anyone who might be tasked with their rescue.
Don't get me wrong there are risks every time they launch / take off to attend an incident but actually the rates of serious injury / death amongst the rescue services attending leisure sailors is absolutely tiny.

Windermere and other large lakes / inland lochs are deceptive. People can believe they are safer than the sea - but actually they are often colder, and potentially more dangerous. I'm not a fan of legislation, but drunk boating should be as unacceptable as drunk driving.
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Kill cords should be a law, life jackets should be your own choice, not wearing a life jacket isn't putting anyone else in danger, I also think PB2 should be the law
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Kill cords should be a law, life jackets should be your own choice, not wearing a life jacket isn't putting anyone else in danger, I also think PB2 should be the law
This is wandering into familiar "done to death" territory, no pun intended
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