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Old 25 April 2004, 10:33   #11
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In spite of the warnings and evidence that this product is dangerous and poses a threat to the health of people you are going to clean your shiny new rib hire fleet with it
Can see the newspaper headline now:
'Holiday maker killed by rib'
This may be OTT but newspapers do sensationalize things.
So since you are so clever what do I do with the liquid that is already in the container, stop the ship mid Atlantic and get it out. Guys you are SAAAAD VERY SAAAD
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In all seriousness Manos, it's probably a hazard to your own health more than anything else. I guess you would be well advised to arrange for safe disposal.
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Old 25 April 2004, 12:00   #14
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Manos,

You may want to check if the product you are getting is pure toluene (if this is available anywhere) or just a toluene based thinner. The later is regularly used to remove old glue prior to making tube repairs in small areas - I would agree that it probably makes quite a good tube cleaner too but I would have thought that the exposure level if doing a whole boat would certainly concern me.

I have previously used MEK for cleaning a small part of the tube (NB they are hypatex tubes not hypalon) which had been particularly badly marked but again it is nasty stuff and wouldn't want to be around it for long !

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Old 25 April 2004, 12:24   #15
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Manos,

You may want to check if the product you are getting is pure toluene (if this is available anywhere or just a toluene based thinner. The later is regularly used to remove old glue prior to making tube repairs in small areas - I would agree that it probably makes quite a good tube cleaner too but I would have thought that the exposure level if doing a whole boat would certainly concern me.

I have previously used MEK for cleaning a small part of the tube (NB they are hypatex tubes not hypalon) which had been particularly badly marked but again it is nasty stuff and wouldn't want to be around it for long !

Cheers

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Hi Mike thanks for the detailed info. I have already communicated with SA and this is a toluene based thinner. It was used (as you said) in the factory to clean glue stains but it was also discovered that it cleans glass fibre too and also markings on tubes and many other stains and is cheap, cheap.
Is not for everyday use but when you want to clean say something that other cleaners can't, they use this one.
I had tested this products on PVC cloths while I was in SA and it cleans them 100+100%. However, after you wipe it off it takes the silky feeling off the PVC. However, if you rub that area with some silicone or vaseline becomes ok again. But as I said you don't do this every day but when is upsolutely necessary.
Although JK's comments (from Google) were correct I have been advised too (as you have pointed out Mike) that these effects only apply to pure Toluene and not to the product that I have ordered.
This product should be used in well ventilated areas a(i.e. in the open will be best I think) and one should ware protective gloves (if so wish).
Richard & Red Fox although I can see that you mean well, I am affraid that (like all others except Mike) you have jumped in to the wrong conclusions. I don't think that any one has dies yet at least from the people that use on every day basis

Mike MANY thanks again
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Old 25 April 2004, 13:22   #17
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Fairy liquid is the best cleaning of grime and oil (suntan oil potions of any type and kind in our case) in luke warm water Richard but it does not ged rid off stains like black fender marks on tubes or the fibre glass.
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I have already communicated with SA and this is a toluene based thinner. It was used (as you said) in the factory to clean glue stains but it was also discovered that it cleans glass fibre too and also markings on tubes and many other stains and is cheap, cheap.
Is not for everyday use but when you want to clean say something that other cleaners can't, they use this one.

Manos,

I would still exercise extreme caution when using the product as it is very easy to be affected by it even in the open and you will tend not to notice you are being affected. Also be careful how and where you store it.

Also take it easy on the other guys who have made very valid comments and are only looking out for a fellow ribster !

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Don't all scoff at Manos - it just shows ignorance!

In fairness to Manos there are plenty of things in common use that have warnings just as bad - if not worse - than toluene.

One of the main reasons supply is limited is NOT because of the health risk but because of one of it's other uses - the last T in TNT!!!!

http://www.matheson-trigas.com/msds/MAT17180.pdf

Xylene - a VERY common paint thinner contained in MANY products you can buy in Halfords!

Basically nearly ALL aromatic hydrocarbons have similar dangerous effects - including common or garden petrol - unleaded petrol contains benzine which is FAR more toxic than toluene!

http://www.albina.com/Fuel/FuelPDFs/ULgasolineMSDS.PDF

Have a look at what petrol contains - toluene being just one of the ingredients
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Mike I do not intend to kill me self (intentionally that is).
I appreciate the comments and the advise I know that the majority of tghe people here means well
But now after all this I'm very curious to find out all I can about this product.
Another week and the container will be in Greece, have contacted a friend of mine that is a chemist in a lab and he will test it for me. So will let you know what exactly is

But I always use Fairy liquid in luke warm water for washing my boats out

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