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Old 07 March 2003, 12:14   #31
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Is a constant problem CH.

CONSTANT!!

...and by the way the new Cabin Developed RIB is CE marked and it will get specs and testing for Cat B. In case it cannot pass due to free board limitations etc it will go for Cat C.

A little bird told me that someone from the South of the globe will call you very soon for some advise!!
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Old 07 March 2003, 12:42   #32
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Manos, another thing, or things that must not be forgotten, is the very high cost of commercial premises/insurance/rates.
A pal of mine builds a range of performance ribs, nice workshops, but at a price, IRO 5k/month, all up!!!! very nasty, you add the wages, say 2k per staff member X 4 = 13k!!!WOW you don't need many quiet months before it turns to s**t.
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Just to compare, how much could you get a new 90 HP honda 4 stroke for in either SA or Greece ?

I believe they are GBP 6800 in UK which I presume includes controls and standard instruments.

Assuming someone had access to a mould, what do you reckon the material costs are for glass / resin / gel / wood to construct a smaller hull such as mine at 5 metres ?

A chap I used to know used to mould canoes and he actually made a hull mould from a friends yaght & then made a similar hull for himself which he then fitted out over many years in his garden

No thoughts of doing this myself, just interested in what proportion of a hull cost is actually in materials

Oh & my son would still love a cheapo SA drysuit if you are able to find contact details !! LOL

BENJAMIN

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Matiboy,

In Portsmouth its 30 for 5l of resin and 5m of CSM (buying in small quantities). The best ratio I can achieve is 1:1 but I think a professional builder can get 1:3 (ie 3 x the CSM). Multiply this up by the hull weight you are after. Add in the wastage 10% ? should give you an idea. But the hours of work to mould a hull, covered in resin and breathing the fumes, yuk no thanks. Changing my rib console is taking every weekend up at the moment.

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PS I have now got resin in me hair, the bath, on the key board, the mouse and........
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Having read your posts regarding material costs for building 10 metre rib and trailer, I have come to the following conclusions;

You are either incredibly naive, or barking mad, or both! IMHO
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Eh Manos you could call it the Big Beak Eh
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Re: Manos

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...........or barking mad, or both! IMHO
I agree and concure Sir
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If the rules dectate it

why not CH the BIG BEAK it is LOLOL
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And

lastly are you all going to have a go at me??
I said if you have any other ideas or prices please put them on the table.
Is OK to say is too cheap or you are mad or whatever but what do you know (genuinly know!!) what actual costs are??

JF agree with salaries and rents in this country and competition it must be a hell of a nightmare for some!!

DD seriously I think that you will find that these are the costs as I have the invoices!!!

As a matter of interest to you all my RIB (7mtr Falcon) Hull cost with tubes (PVC) GBP 2,186.87 at GBP 1.00=zar 15 with invoices paid!! If tube material Neoprane increase by 40%.

I am neither naive nor mad I am just very carefull when I spend my hard earned money and this is the reason I NVER owned a European made RIB!!
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Manos may be right or wrong in his estimations of the true cost of building a 10 metre rib but thats kind of getting away from the true point of this thread, we all know we pay far to much for everything in this country, thats a fact and we just have to live with it, but the thousand and one question is how can we reduce the costs down, now we have two avenues open, go abroad for your goods or self build. I strongly suspect that a self build is out of the question for most of us so going abroad for buying seems the next best option, but do we actually know what we are buying and will the build quality stand up to the British coast beating the crap out of it, so most of us tend to stick with what we know best and choose UK builders because we know they build boats for the conditions here.

But when it comes to engines its a different matter, does a 90hp Honda 4 stroke work any different in SA or Greece than it does here, is the fuel different from the stuff that we use here, so why are we paying almost double for new engines.

Then we come to the second hand market, if the price of new engines is so high it keeps the price of second hand engines up, so in reality and from my perspective and i think this will apply to a lot of readers here that dont own and use 10 metre cabine ribs to go around the world in and tend to stick to the 5-8 metre ranges its not really the cost of the boat or the tubes, its the cost of the engines you choose to attach at the back.

So Manos start importing those engines and i'll open an outlet and sell them for you, maybe over the internet though i suspect DHL will have a fit.

No offence meant to round the world crazy people and there 10 metre cabin ribs

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