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Old 07 March 2003, 07:27   #11
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matiboy,
Is that your Arimar I see for sale in 'Boats and Outboards'? - Are you going to buy another?
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Old 07 March 2003, 07:51   #12
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Re: Dont forget to add in

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most UK rib companies it would be fair to say are fairly small, ie not corporates, some almost cottage industries ? Building ribs as straight forward as the hulls would appear to be is labour intensive because of the tube process ?
This statement applies to MOST OF THE OTHER RIB BUILDING companies ex Zodiac/Bombard etc. Most of the RIBs come out from a shed of what is called the 'business'.

I cannot believe that labour costs in the UK are that much higher than other European countries or that for RIBs built in the UK more glass fibre and gell coat is used or they are better than the best.

The truth of the matter is that for say a 10 mtr RIB that costs to buy in the UK over 100K the builder makes between 70-80K easy. So the builder needs to sell one boat per year to make a VERY GOOD leaving. (This is a VERY GOOD business!!!)

BELEVE ME it DOES NOT COST A LOT to build a RIB.

For a 10 mtr hypalon (ORCA) tubes are about 5K (and if they are made by PVC is 40% less) and @ 2.00 for the glass fibre/kg (say 2,000 kgs??) another 4K (say 5K with gell coat??) how much the rest costs??
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Old 07 March 2003, 07:57   #13
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Re: The Costs of Building RIBs

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Is it worth doing a simple Bill of Materials listing with prices and see what it comes to?
Manos, CH, DD and others-do you want to give us a starter for 10 for a bonus of 15?
I will put it together this weekend and I can tell you without getting trade prices with discounts, etc but just normal prices for an individual the trouth is that you will be PLEASANTLY SURPRISED!!
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Old 07 March 2003, 08:07   #14
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JF

Agree 100 million% with you. Prices of boats (particularly in the UK where you do not have the climate neither the beaches nor the proximity to islands etc) are REDICULUSLY expenssive!!

Is exactly what you all say 'bulders charge what the market will bare' and looking at the increasing number of boats in the UK, the market (unfortunately) does not complain and bares!!

WHY?????????
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Old 07 March 2003, 09:43   #15
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ARE YOU GETTING FLEASED????

As promissed the approximate costs for building a 10 mtr cabin RIB. These costs include labour. If any one has doubts they can produce their own for comparison.

Afterall I may be wrong!!

QTY.......DESCRIPTION.....UNIT.........TOTAL

1...........Hull..................4,950.00.....4,9 50.00
1...........Tubes...............5,250.00....5,250. 00
1...........Console............182.73.........182. 73
1...........Perspex screen....33.33..........33.33
1...........Grabrail.................47.67........ ..47.67
1...........GRP box with upholstered twin bucket seat ..143.60.... 143.60
1.........Set Bow seats......136.73........136.73
1.........Full width splashwell seat, upholstered.........88.87....88.87
1.........A-Frame roll/ski-bar......138.67.....138.67
1.........Hydraulic steering system complete Le Combe & Schmidt.......480.....480.00
1...........Set control cables heavy duty.....80.00.....80.00
2...........Deep cycle batteries, boxes & terminals......36.00....72.00
1...........Galvanized Trailer with lights, docking boards, winch, jockey...........695.67...........695.67
1..........Installation labour, materials & sundries.........133.33......133.33
1........Sunbed....30.00.......30.00
2........Waterproof 12V sockets (stainless steel)........11.33.....22.67
1........Set Navigation lights, port, starboard & stern.......33.33......33.33
1........6-Way waterproof switchpanel with LED indicators......31.67.....31.67
2........Marine spotlights (fixed) mounted on A-Frame........20.00........40.00
1...........Water-seperating drainable fuel filter & cartridge.........56.67........56.67
2........70-litre plastic Fuel cells, including guages & installation.......166.67........333.33
1.......Battery selector switch........10.00.........10.00
1.......Auxilliary motor mounting bracket.......36.67....36.67
2...........Danforth anchors, 15m chain each, 50m rope 12mm each...........65.00.........130.00
1...........Additional battery cable from stern to console.........40.00.........40.00
1...........Labour surcharge for additional equipment......50.00........50.00

Sub-Total 13,246.93
Add 10% 2,649.39
Total 15,896.32
VAT @ 17.5 2,781.86

TOTAL 18,678.18 FOR A 10 MTR CABNIN RIB WITHOUT ENGINES.
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Old 07 March 2003, 09:51   #16
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Where have you got these prices from?

A console, supplied and fitted for 180?
Upholstered twin bucket seat, on custom GRP box, supplied and fitted for under 150?
A trailer for a 10 metre boat for under 700?

Get real!

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Old 07 March 2003, 10:22   #17
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Hay Manos Are you answering your own posts?

When you say you agree 100 million % with you! are you talking about your own posts here, as you seem to be agreeing immedialtly after your own posts have been posted and appeared?

Its a bit confusing? But good fun
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Old 07 March 2003, 10:29   #18
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Get real!
JK I'm affraid I am VERY REAL!!!!

The trailer just costs 700. That is the actual cost not including profit margins. And the seats are also as cheap as that!!!

May be I forgot to mention that all costs quoted are ACTUAL COSTS without including profit margins which you should have to add on.

And the prices have been from VERY RELIABLE friends who work in various outlets.

I repeat again they advised me the ACTUAL COSTS to the factory not the selling price by the boat builders which includes profit margins.
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I was replying to JF not to my own post.
Did you see the heading of my post??
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The bottom line is here is that in the main Boat Builders dont like us enough to give us a boat for nothing, In fact they dislike customers that much that some of them charge very high prices becouse thats the price that they put on haveing to deal with us boat users.

They build boats for proffit ,or otherways you dont get one.Thats the way it is,So producing charts at supposed costs is a waste of time as nobodys is going to give you one at that price becouse thay dont like you enough.Its buisness.
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