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Old 09 December 2002, 13:30   #31
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I've got nothing to sell either but i still get told every time one of you tells the other what you are selling

...did i mention i sell PC's, phone systems,...

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Old 09 December 2002, 13:50   #32
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South African Ribs

I know I will be shot down in flames......BUT.......I am a proud patriotic South African and I have to say, the build quality, to be precise, the finish, of most South African ribs leave a lot to be desired. You cannot question the hull integrity and strength but I am afraid they have a long way to go in achieveing the refinements of a Scorpion, Revenger and many other of the top UK rib builders. They are getting there, but please do not even think in comparing them at this stage - there is no comparison.

It hurts me to say this, but its a fact and I just wish, for their own sake they would pay more attention to the detail and QA.
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Old 09 December 2002, 14:51   #33
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Actually I think its a bit more fundamental than that........

the build quality of many RIBS, irrespective of which country they are built in leads a lot to be desired. Its partly to do with low volume production runs in what is often a cottage type industry - i.e. a couple of guys building tens of boats a year in a shed. Its also to do with the ever increasing popularity of RIBS and people wanting to cash in on the boom. Get rich quick philosophy doesn't usually extend to implementing any kind of quality systems.

The shrewd manufacturer who is looking for the longer term market will invest and train their people and grow their reputation through the quality of the product. This is where the opportunity lies now for some smart guys and gals. Maybe Manos' friends in S Africa are some of these, maybe Andre in Poland is (Andre are you building versions of the old BWM designs?). Maybe even Crazyhorse and his cabin RIB will take the iniative and capture his niche in the market for cabin RIBS.

If you really think about RIBS available in UK and get beyond the "well mine must be good cos I bought it and am a knowledgable chap etc etc" pride how many are really well built?

BTW, interesting post from Gaelforce, our resident philosopher. Not sure what category I come under but I can stress that I am not looking for any kind of intercourse other than social from any of you!!

Alan.

PS. Since its fashionable to advertise on posts nowadays can I just say that you should all go out and buy a doorbell, alarm system and some 13 amp sockets for Christmas.
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Old 09 December 2002, 15:26   #34
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Anyone need anger management courses, or details of good R & R location let me know

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Old 09 December 2002, 17:32   #35
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I've got a couple of nice teperature controlled soldering irons for sale, proper jobs quite cheap.

Seriously though perhaps we should have a semi commercial thread for example. What better area for researching a rib product or service than here, if you can ask the right question you can get 20 very knowledgable replies and one from me in about 2 days. If that means the service or product is improved before it is launched then that is to our advantage.

I actually respect and admire the amateur status of Ribnet and would wish it too stay that way. The problem is when threads become advertorials which in this instance I don't think it was, certainly an awareness raising excercise and why not?
Perhaps it could become a Ribnet article?

I can think of three professional contributors who make valid comments without advertsing, and one of them offers free advice. I apologise for not knowing your names but they are the guys from Sealion, Henshaws and Ribcraft. Apologies to anybody I have missed out

So basically there must be a balance, and yes Mark I agree that it is sliding in the wrong direction, however the beauty of Ribbing is that most of the manufacturers are still enthusiast and users. Lets keeo it that way!

The soldering irons are 20 quid each by the way!
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Old 09 December 2002, 18:15   #36
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Perhaps people with a commercial interest should volunteer to be tagged 'T' like they do in car adverts. Just an idea, people who don't want to read them don't have to. Better to be up-front than try to con the naive people on here

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Old 09 December 2002, 18:19   #37
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Twenty Quid for a soldiering iron, they are cheaper at Argos, I amjust off there now actually as someone suggested you could get suspension seats there,

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Old 09 December 2002, 18:22   #38
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Dear wave humper and others.

I agree with what you say and feel that this is not the place to sell your boat or even concept.

There is no harm in putting forward ones opinion, as all to often the small man is left out and is left in most cases in the dark to make difficult decisions and a forum hopefully is the place to air ones concerns.

Rib buying and selling is about the succsesfull companies making a profit and in most cases they want to sell the product with a healthy margin,sometimes giving value and sometimes pulling the wool.

This means that you give them your money and you get a product that costs them less than what you have paid them or unfortunatley they will not give it to you.

This has its advantages as products get developed unfortunatley sometimes for maybe the wrong reasons,but it happens.

When I looked into the Cabin Rib Market I could get no sense at all from some suppliers when I asked what must of been very annoying questions and I can understand why now.

In fact one took me out to sea at ribex and soaked me so I was the only guy walking around with wet pants?

I felt at the time that I must be cracking up becouse I wanted to spend,but becouse of the costs that were involved I wasnt going to put up with some of the trade and there Blarzay attitudes, Im of the belief that if a company cant be arsed to send imfo or answer questions then walk away. so I did.

You will see in the next few months what I did about it,I will be interested in your feelings then, I am also aware that if I have cocked up then Im sure it will be pointed out .It will cost me dearly, but Im confident I havent.

I believe that after a great deal of planninig and a commitment to taking into account loades of suggestions,and the work and extreem amounts of cash, that ribs will finally make the jump into the big boat market and those guys who maybe thought they were just inflatable boats, will not say that any more.
I may be wrong we will see.Maybe who cares,I do, as I feel Ribs are the best form of sea transport you can get and the transport of the future.

In my opinion of course

Watch this space

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Old 09 December 2002, 18:49   #39
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I am now bored with my own forum,

I will answer no more questions on this subject,comment as you see fit.

I make no excuses for helping to develope what is going to be a great product and if in the future anybody wants any help from somebody who nearly lost a lot of money by buying the wrong rib then feel free to ask.

I expect arrival some time in September 2003.

Happy ribbing to all of ya, and thanks for the education.

Crazyhorse

Ps The boat needs no selling from me it will sell itself.
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Old 09 December 2002, 18:51   #40
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So I am in there then. I'm the 'et cetera'!

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