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Old 16 June 2014, 15:08   #171
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Currently the above plan seems to be one that might work, and one that we (i) think we can co-ordinate for a relatively low extra cost. After all - it's not tugs needed for the whole way round - just for the two or three long stretches between dockside fuel on the East coast.

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I thought it was the west of Scotland that the big issue was?
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Old 16 June 2014, 15:13   #172
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I thought it was the west of Scotland that the big issue was?
No, if you pick your stops wisely* its quite possible to get all the way up the west coast and through the Caledonian Canal to Inverness, its the bit from Aberdeen south that is a big issue. West Coast only becomes difficult if you are going "round the top".

*i.e. not the ones Hugo picked!!!
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Old 16 June 2014, 15:17   #173
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I thought it was the west of Scotland that the big issue was?
Ah - well it would be if we were going all the way round - but the plan for this time is to go through the canal, so we can fuel up at Oban (Puffin Divers) - the next fuel required would be on the East coast. It's after that bit that I think we start to have more challenges.

If anyone on Ribnet can help with known places where petrol is available on the dockside on the East Coast of Scotland and England their help would be most appreciated.

The next thing we need is ports where there are petrol stations near to the port so we could try and arrange land-support / helpers to assist in re-fuelling without a 20 mile drive being required!

Public replys (posts), PM's or e-mails to myself would be great!

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Old 16 June 2014, 15:33   #174
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Without reading through all the posts Trevor, when would you be doing the Oban-Fort William leg?

If you need any help in or around the FW area just shout.
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Trevor - what's your range / endurance?

Worth double checking this but Scottish Canals: Inverness Marina Ltd, Caledonian Canal claims to have petrol. That I think is your last dockside petrol for a long time.

What's your "Can Carrying Capacity"?
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Without reading through all the posts Trevor, when would you be doing the Oban-Fort William leg?
The plan was to do Oban to Fort William very early on Wed 30th July, to get the 1st lock through the canal on the same day - ie be at Fort William by 8am I think.

The original route and dates proposed by HMS, and which people have booked B&B's for are, I believe:
Thu 24/07/2014 Southampton to Plymouth ( 150 NM )
Fri 25/07/2014 Plymouth to Hugh Town, St Marys, Isles of Scilly ( 100 NM )
Sat 26/07/2014 Hugh Town, St Marys, Isles of Scilly to Neyland Marina, Milford Haven ( 140 NM )
Sun 27/07/2014 Neyland Marina, Milford Haven to Holyhead ( 140 NM )
Mon 28/07/2014 Holyhead to Bangor, Northern Ireland, (via possible lunch stop at Castletown IOM) ( 110 NM )
Tue 29/07/2014 Bangor, Northern Ireland to Oban ( 160 NM )
Wed 30/07/2014 Oban to Inverness (via Caledonian Canal & Loch Ness) 55NM ( 90 NM )
Thu 31/07/2014 Inverness to Arbroath ( 160 NM )
Fri 01/08/2014 Arbroath to Whitby ( 150 NM )
Sat 02/08/2014 Whitby to Lowestoft ( 160 NM )
Sun 03/08/2014 Lowestoft to Ramsgate ( 80 NM )
Mon 04/08/2014 Ramsgate to Southampton ( 130 NM )
Total Distance 1570 NM

The original dates and route started in Plymouth, but as we'll be coming from Southampton anyway I've assumed that we'll start a day earlier so B&B bookings for others (if they decide to give it a go) stay the same.

SO - as it stands I think the challenge days for petrol would be from Thursday 31st July to Sat 2nd August, as this is the stretch of the UK with limited quayside petrol options.

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Trevor, i sent an email to Hugo asking all marinas with petrol pontoons and than marians with petrol station close to pontoons and also the marinas he planned without anything. i will fwd you this email once received. next we i ll be able to check my almanac and have more searches on internet
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Trevor - what's your range / endurance?
What's your "Can Carrying Capacity"?
Ah - a tough one as the two are linked..!
On Blue Ray we have a 250 Litre tank built-in. We average (over a whole season) 1.3 to 1.5 Litres per Nm, so in theory we have a "normal" range of about 160Nm to 190Nm.

In crap weather we have never done worse than 2 litres per nM so our planning range is 125Nm.

I have 150 Litres worth of "cans" at the moment - but of course I could get more if needed.
What I think I'm looking at is maybe having more frequent stops and getting top-ups of fuel en-route for those that need it, rather than one massive fill-up for all the boats at the same time. Some smaller boats will (or should) have much better fuel economy than us so maybe won't need as many top-ups.

So - for us, with 150 Litres of extra fuel in various containers, we have a range of between 200 and 300 nautical miles.

As ever - "it all depends" - which doesn't help!

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i ve a range of 200 Nm with my 200L underdeck tank, doing 1Nm/1L average and have 2 extra jerrycans of 20L each as safety
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I wasn't for one moment suggesting that was a good idea, besides not having much of a clue how much fuel you had put in made it a bit difficult calculating the amount of 2 stroke oil required!
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