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Old 26 August 2009, 06:03   #111
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Sounds as if there is a real need for such a course.
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Old 26 August 2009, 06:08   #112
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that has not been discussed in this long ongong discuss, is what happens when cabin or canopy ribs capsize. I have found no info on such occurrences. Anyone got any info? I would imagine a worst case scenario, with the people trapped inside.
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Don't think the course cover rough water handling. Its been discussed before, if a course was to include rough weather handling you'd struggle to run the course around our weather.
True mate.
The swellies in a RIB isn't to bad on a fine day, to negotiate the swellies with a keel on a fine day is a whole different ball game. Doesn't take much to get the water rough around there either as it's like a funnel.
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that has not been discussed in this long ongong discuss, is what happens when cabin or canopy ribs capsize. I have found no info on such occurrences. Anyone got any info? I would imagine a worst case scenario, with the people trapped inside.
Should imagine it'll be the same script as when a hard boat capsizes with wheel house. There's a few reports of that happening on the net if you do a search. Although I could imagine a canopy keeping hold of you like a net under the water.
Must be a horrible experience.
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On a RIB you'll more than likely get thrown out.
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For me, the correct manoeuvre was to slow down and turn when at the top of a wave in order to get a good vision of the surrounding sea. By the sounds of it, and I could of course be mistaken, the pilot wanted to turn whilst still going fast, too fast.
Well, Pablo's given an answer. Anyone else?

The question: 1. what was the correct maneuvre to return to the other ribs?

Is he right?

All the analysis from MAIB and others says lack of experience was a factor. So, what would experienced people have done?

Just at the moment this thread feels like being told to visit the doctor immediately you notice any symptoms - without being told what the symptoms are.
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Not having been in the boat it is impossible to say !
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It could be a case of not turning quick enough, you don't want to present your beam to the sea.
I'm not keen on turning on the top of waves as if you fall off the top the hull cn dig in and through you out.
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On a RIB you'll more than likely get thrown out.
Not with a cabin your not.
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I remember reading that MAIB report. She was actually standing to the side of the helm so no wonder she was thrown out.

Apart from that - in fairness - no matter how experienced you are anyone can make a mistake - a sudden lapse of concentration is all it takes.

As JSP says - a goold old heavy displacement hull with a deep draft and a canoe stern like Colin Archer used to design will look after you no matter what. With a planing hull - especially a light RIB - driver skill becomes far more important.

My hero of the RIB world is the late Shaun White. He ran his Ocean Dynamics RIBs for years off West Wales. He was probably the inventor of RIB thrill rides and his were the most extreme. They used to go out in silly conditions through the bitches but the boats were well up to the job. Big heavy RIBs with ali hulls - water jets and no transom.

All the passengers would sit on the tubes so if the worse came to the worse they would be thrown clear and not be crushed by the boat if it flipped. He also insisted on his passengers wearing canoing helmets which is a brilliant idea.

All this paid dividends when they eventually had a boat flip.

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources/atlantic-eagle.pdf

Please read the report - makes for great reading and you may learn something!!! There are a few criticisms but then thats what reports do - the fact that all the passengers survived with light injuries speaks for itself.
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