rough weather advice - Page 5

cuttlefish · 24 August 2009, 18:26

I agree: "too many people fail to pay the sea the respect that they should..." and I suppose such people would say that there are boats that could deal with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeN...ad.php?t=25712

Everything is relative, boats and seas, horses for courses, but I, for one, am not so arrogant or disrespectful to the sea as to believe that there is is a boat that could deal easily with this, if at all.

Rupert.

chewy · 24 August 2009, 18:49

There Lighthouses hence the shallow water and rocks around them. Granted no boat could approach the Lighthouse but on some of the shots the surrounding water is pretty rough but yes they is boats that can handle it.

cuttlefish · 24 August 2009, 18:59

the obvious question is: which boats?

chewy · 24 August 2009, 19:03

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Originally Posted by rupert

the obvious question is: which boats?

All weather Lifeboats (give away is in the name), offshore standby boats, big boats, purpose built craft for those conditions.
That big french rescue tug that Codders posted would go through it ok.

JSP · 24 August 2009, 19:15

And some idiot on a surf board

chewy · 24 August 2009, 19:17

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Originally Posted by JSP

And some idiot on a surf board

Or a Jetski.

cuttlefish · 24 August 2009, 19:23

a submarine?

Maximus · 24 August 2009, 20:35

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Originally Posted by JSP

And some idiot on a surf board

Or...'Matt h'in his Searider He'd consider it ''Ideal wave jumping weather dude!!'
Course I'm jokeing....I think!
Seriously,in a balls out contest with the 'Big Briney'there can only be one winner,as plenty dearly departed would testify [if theycould]!!
Ribs are great rough water craft with better sea keeping abilitys than most,but if you take the Piss sooner or later whatever your in in ,you'll come a cropper.Better by far IMO to stay within your own limits,and that of your craft!...and I like wave jumping as mush as most!

JSP · 25 August 2009, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Maximus

Or...'Matt h'in his Searider He'd consider it ''Ideal wave jumping weather dude!!'
Course I'm jokeing....I think!
Seriously,in a balls out contest with the 'Big Briney'there can only be one winner,as plenty dearly departed would testify [if theycould]!!
Ribs are great rough water craft with better sea keeping abilitys than most,but if you take the Piss sooner or later whatever your in in ,you'll come a cropper.Better by far IMO to stay within your own limits,and that of your craft!...and I like wave jumping as mush as most!

Isn't Mat H made of rubber though and floats?

The way he's jumping them waves in that video somewhere on here it's a good job he has the pilots licence.
I wont say a fear, but more something that bothers me sometimes when in the rough, is a rouge wave creeping up on ya (no were not talking about Stu in a gimp mask here).

Pablo · 25 August 2009, 14:00

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Originally Posted by rupert

Have a read through this:

http://www.docksidereports.com/rough...amanship_1.htm

Parts 1, 2, and 3.

Cheers,

rupert.

The author is a bit of a scare mongerer and he seems to rate average boaters very lowly IMO. If we haven't been round the world with some of the worlds best seaman at least three times then we will probably die the next time we try to leave the harbour !

codprawn · 25 August 2009, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Pablo

The author is a bit of a scare mongerer and he seems to rate average boaters very lowly IMO. If we haven't been round the world with some of the worlds best seaman at least three times then we will probably die the next time we try to leave the harbour !

Yes but remember he is talking about American boats and their owners where the most important piece of equipment is a cup holder!!!

chewy · 25 August 2009, 14:19

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Yes but remember he is talking about American boats and their owners where the most important piece of equipment is a cup holder!!!

You mean can holder?

cuttlefish · 25 August 2009, 14:29

one way to interpret the article.

Pablo · 25 August 2009, 14:41

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Yes but remember he is talking about American boats and their owners where the most important piece of equipment is a cup holder!!!

At least he only seems to look down on average boat owners, you appear to look down on the entire population of America.

cuttlefish · 25 August 2009, 14:46

I feel sure that Cod is pretty much tongue in cheek here.

codprawn · 25 August 2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by rupert

I feel sure that Cod is pretty much tongue in cheek here.

Indeed so - the Yanks make some great boats - Donzi - Cigarette - Fountain etc etc.

They also make some of the most awful creations ever to float!!!

http://www.lakemonroemarina.com/boatrental.htm

Do a search for pontoon boats - they are fine on lakes but then you read of people putting 300hp outboards on them and suggesting them for sea use........

Guess which one I would have!!!

cuttlefish · 25 August 2009, 17:18

guess, I think you'd take the pontoon Codprawn.

Rupert (aka LobsterRabbit).

codprawn · 25 August 2009, 17:27

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Originally Posted by rupert

guess, I think you'd take the pontoon Codprawn.

Rupert (aka LobsterRabbit).

Well it would definitely be more exciting in British waters!!!

cuttlefish · 25 August 2009, 17:28

cuttlefish · 26 August 2009, 06:28

throughout this while discussion where we have gone from problems in mild conditions to very serious ones, is that at of Plas Menal
Let's look at the basic facts: 6m Tornado, weather partly cloudy, visibility fair (1-4 miles), wind force 5 (fresh breeze - 17-21 knots), wind direction 2030 (SSW), sea state slight (0.5 to 1.25m), swell 1.0m.
Capsize and inversion
AI intentionally caught up with a wave and drove her RIB on the back of it. She then caught a second wave, which started to take her further south. Seeing the worsening sea conditions ahead of her, she realised that she was sailing in to danger and needed to get back to the north towards the other RIBs. She turned RIB 6, which slowed, allowing the wave behind to catch it up and lift the stern. The starboard shoulder of the RIB “dug in” to the back of the wave ahead, slowing it rapidly and capsizing it to starboard with a tripping motion.
The AI recalled hearing the engine race as the propeller came out of the water. The AI was thrown clear of the RIB, and the “kill-cord” causedthe outboard motor to stop. Some of the passengers were also thrown clear, but several others surfaced in the air pocket beneath the hull of the upturned RIB which had inverted on top of them.
One student was struck on the head as the RIB capsized, and became slightly dazed and confused. The others beneath the upturned hull quickly escaped to the open water, briefly leaving the injured student alone beneath the inverted RIB. However, he soon realised that he needed to escape, and within a few moments he too was able to dive clear of the RIB.
The AI and the passengers all remained fairly close to the boat, but most had difficulties holding on to it.

Two questions:
1. what was the correct maneuvre to return to the other ribs?
2. should it have capsized so easily in such not particularly difficult conditions? Ie. was there a design problem?

r.