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Old 22 November 2014, 03:37   #41
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All pretty tame really. Thirty years ago the French government blew up the Rainbow Warrior alongside in Auckland because she was inconveniencing their nuclear testing in the Pacific...



There will always be activists ready to 'campaign' using direct action and it always amuses me the 'outrage' that spews forth when their direct action is countered (using direct action) by the forces of law and order.



If you want to debate something, there are times, places and processes. Once you've lost the debate and decide to take 'direct action' then you shouldn't be surprised when the going gets tough.

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Facts of the matter

Regardless of who holds the moral high ground in this incident, the seamanship displayed by the Spanish crews is despicable. It shows a complete lack of respect for the lives of others.
Their reactions are totally disproportionate and akin to behaviour more commonly found in some backward, underdeveloped lands rather than a founding member of the EU.
Someone should tell the Spanish authorities that the year is 2014 not 1420...

For those Spaniards who do not speak the international language of the sea:

E UNA DESGRACIA
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... rather than a founding member of the EU.
They weren't...
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When they did it in Russia they got locked up. There are other ways to get your point heard,if we all protested like GP anarchy would become common place. There are boundaries which they know,so they only have themselves to blame.


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When they did it in Russia they got locked up. There are other ways to get your point heard,if we all protested like GP anarchy would become common place. There are boundaries which they know,so they only have themselves to blame.


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So they joined during the first enlargement period. Does the later joining date somehow explain their behaviour?

I too, would rather be imprisoned than rammed by a maniac in a RIB.
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I'd rather get locked up than killed.

They have a choice to be there.


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It shows a complete lack of respect for the lives of others.
Their reactions are totally disproportionate and akin to behaviour more commonly found in some backward, underdeveloped lands
I dunno about that......


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So they joined during the first enlargement period. Does the later joining date somehow explain their behaviour?

I too, would rather be imprisoned than rammed by a maniac in a RIB.
No they didn't join until the third enlargement, many people forget Spain was a dictatorship in most of our lifetimes. I wasn't the one suggesting early eu membership was incompatible with tough "security" regimes.
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I'd rather get locked up than killed.
Did anyone get killed? id rather go for a swim in the Atlantic than spend time in a Russian jail.
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