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Old 23 November 2006, 10:51   #31
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Interesting thread and even more interesting how the majority of people think that the boat flipped. Have you thought of the possibility of the boat broaching, or even being hit beam on by a large breaking wave.

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A broach is more threatening, beam to the sea will roll you quickly given enough wave height and a break...
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Old 23 November 2006, 10:56   #32
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Absolutely true as well. Lake Erie, which is quite shallow and runs parallel to the prevailing wind can build some very steep seas in a short time. I got caught 30+ miles out there a couple of years ago while I was diving. There was a nice 1' chop when I left the boat and about 7' - 8' seas when I got back in 90 minutes later. These waves are not tall by UK standards I appreciate, but they are very close, steap and breaking. It was a very unpleasant (and slow) ride back in!
the short chop 3-5 beats you to death, that ride back had to really suck Stoo... 7 to 8 footers running close together? Would take a really big rib to handle it well, 40+ feet as my guess.. What would you think Stoo? The ideal size given the short, narrow confused seas we get on the lakes...I have been out where it seems the waves seem to be coming from all directions, you just get the living shit beat out of you, no fun at all!
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Old 23 November 2006, 11:00   #33
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Short steep waves can be horrible - I have been out in 15 - 20' big Atlantic rollers and it was great fun - you can "drive" them - we hardly even got wet. Another time it was waves like you mentioned - we were being thrown all over the place and got soaked - still good fun though!!!
I agree - best of all is when we have had a gale for 2 or 3 days and then flat calm, was out a couple of months ago like that, about a 3m swell rolling in and absolutely calm winds, great fun. Unknown to me some relatives were watching from the shore and were having kittens because I kept disappearing and they thought I had sunk
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Old 23 November 2006, 12:39   #34
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that ride back had to really suck Stoo...
It did indeed. The only good thing was that once we got around Long Point, we were taking them on our starboard quarter. We had to watch our speed so we didn't roll over too far, but it was better than getting the waves right in the teeth. It was also dark for most of the trip in which didn't help any... It made it difficult to predict the wave sequences... or see those pesky gas well-heads!
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Old 23 November 2006, 13:59   #35
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Interesting thread and even more interesting how the majority of people think that the boat flipped. Have you thought of the possibility of the boat broaching, or even being hit beam on by a large breaking wave.

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No Simon she flipped driving into a head sea.
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Old 23 November 2006, 19:12   #36
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When I see RIBs landing off waves they are almost always stern heavy. In some cases I can quite understand why - passenger carrying boats when unladen for example.
ur missing the point and once again your stereo typing! try a ride in a pascoe sr8, (batboat hull) they will almost never lift the nose!!! its the hull or the sea not the fact its a rib, sr8s are notorious in following seas however! only comment i have ever heard is that some ribs being lighter than some hard boats can catch the wind underside more but i cant back it up! MY mates sr8 had 150ltr bow tank, he never ever used it! if you have a well balanced or dynamic boat there is less chance it is needed! if your boat is well balanced why you worried about a bow tank? my old one was beamy and great in followin sea but not so in head sea! bag of sand always helped in the solent!
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I am not missing the point at all - unless the RNLI are also missing the point when they asked for bow ballast tanks to be fitted. It is all about weight distribution. In a following sea you want as much weight aft as possible to stop a stuff - in a head sea you want weight forward to keep the nose down. I may never use my bow tank either - but if caught out in really extreme conditions there may be a time when it is rather handy!!!

As to catching the wind more a RIB obviously will as it has nice big tubes around it - conversly they also help cushion a hard landing due to the larger surface area.

Besides which I can only just about cope with ONE keyboard never mind 2!!!
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conversly they also help cushion a hard landing due to the larger surface area.
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Logical answer please.

Obviously the greater the surface area the slower an object will fall down to wind resistance - or don't the laws of physics apply any more?
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But in reality will that slow down be of any appreciable difference that your actually going to notice any difference in this case.
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