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Old 29 July 2005, 04:10   #11
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Not too bothered in a "danger" situation and I wouldn't hesitate calling the RNLI. I was thinking genarally.
I think that it would actually be the coastguard you call.
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Old 29 July 2005, 04:19   #12
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"Salvage" only applies if the skipper and crew have "abandoned the vessel with no hope or intent of return". It also doesn't apply to rivers and can be difficult to enforce in estuaries.

As I remember the basic principle is that "just and proper remuneration" be awarded to the vessel offering assistance. This is supposed to cover fuel and crew costs and the costs of getting the salving vessel back to her orginial position prior to assisting you..........

imagine paying for a ocean going oil tanker? (yes it has happened!)
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Old 29 July 2005, 05:03   #13
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Whose line - a myth!

It makes no difference whose line is used - yours or theirs.

You don't have to have abandoned the boat either.

If all you require is a tow (you are not in imminent danger) then its best to agree a price before accepting the tow. That is then the price. A "Tow" is very different to "Salvage"

The best way to agree "salvage" if what you require is more than a tow in calm waters is to agree "Lloyds Open Form". The "Salvage" is then carried out on a no win no fee basis. The cost is then decided independently depending upon the work that the salvor carried out, the danger they put themselves to, the danger you were in etc and it should work out fairly.

Regarding calling the Coastguard my experience is that they prefer to be called sooner rather than later so they know what is going on.
I have had to call them due to running out of fuel (not on my boat I hasten to add). I was anchored by the time I called them, just outside of the Southampton Water Channel. Had a friendly chat with them and they told me that they would send Hamble or Cowes Rescue to me. They also asked if I had any money on me - perhaps they were going to send out Seastart? In the meantime I got a tow from a passing angler - told the Coastguard and they were happy with that.
Had to call them when I was first on the scene of a powerboat capsize / barrel roll. 6 persons in the water, one with a head injury. Called them on 16 and told them of what was happening. A passing RIB took the head injury to Cowes and I picked up the rest and also took them to Cowes where an ambulance was waiting.
They sent out Hamble Rescue to tow the upturned boat home.

In neither case did I use a Mayday or Pan Pan. I just spoke with them and told them what we were doing.
If you need immediate assistance then the use of the word Mayday over the radio is probably as much use in getting peoples attention as anything else.

Anyway, Coastguards, helpful chaps.
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Old 29 July 2005, 05:18   #14
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[QUOTE=Searider] It makes no difference whose line is used - yours or theirs.

I understood that if you accept a line thrown by them, then you are into salvage - however, if they accept a line thrown by you, then they were agreeing to 'help' you ?
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I understood that if you accept a line thrown by them, then you are into salvage - however, if they accept a line thrown by you, then they were agreeing to 'help' you ?
I'm pretty sure that this is an urban (or maritime!) myth.

As far as I understand things it also makes no difference whether or not you broadcast a Mayday message. If someone does claim salvage it doesn't mean that they then "own your boat" as the salvage claim in all but the most extreme cases will be assessed as a proportion of the boat's value.

In most cases any claim for salvage will be dealt with by your insurance company.

It would be good to get a definitive answer from someone with a legal background. Maybe one of the insurance companies would know, as they have a definite interest in this sort of thing!

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it's not a definitive guide but it's not bad: ashbypowerboatschool.co.uk has a guide and a quick explanation of the rules.

back on the original topic. I'd call the Coastguard (probably by mobile phone so as to try and avoid the embarassment of broadcasting to everyone that I had broken down) and explain the situation. Most times I suspect they will ask a local boat to assist (certainly it's what we used to do, maybe changed nowadays).

Oh, and then I'd head off to the outboard engine mechanic and insert the skeg............................ ;-)
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back on the original topic. I'd call the Coastguard (probably by mobile phone so as to try and avoid the embarassment of broadcasting to everyone that I had broken down) and explain the situation.
When I called them about the overurned powerboat I initially called them by phone. They then requested that I call them on the VHF as the communication was more immediate, ie they and any other units could easily get in touch if need be.
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Fully agree searider: if it's something like that then you want as many people as possible aware of what's going on. My comment about the mobile phone was only for use when it's a non-urgent call, although even then I know how busy the station can be answering calls on the phone.
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Old 29 July 2005, 12:16   #19
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i'm at Hayle in 3 weeks and i'll need something to guide me
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[QUOTE=Tim M] In the South you can call sea-start and they will help you if you pay them some crazy hourly fee.


Joining Sea Start was the best value 165 I have ever spent afloat. A very efficent serice who were with me within 40 minutes of my first call as a non-member. They sorted the problem with my main engine and then my generator all for the price of the parts.
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