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Old 20 September 2004, 12:13   #1
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Parker RIB hull

I saw the Parker RIB ad in the latest issue of RIB International(The new and improved look). The hull looks very similar to that of the BWM DS21. Is there a relationship?
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Old 20 September 2004, 13:17   #2
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If you look for a Guy on here called Andre he knows an awful lot about Parker Ribs, very friendly guy.

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I saw Andre yesterday and asked him exactly the same question.
The answer is yes there is. The Parker is a modified and, he claims, improved DS21 hull. Going by the way he passed me on the way to Yarmouth, he is quite right to claim that. Same bow profile and big flare, but it looks lower. No doubt there are changes below the water. Nice boat.
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I saw the Parker RIB ad in the latest issue of RIB International(The new and improved look). The hull looks very similar to that of the BWM DS21. Is there a relationship?
I guess you are refering to the Parker 630. well there is no relationship as such. The Parker 630 was developed 4/5 years ago together with Paul Lemmer. Since then we have made significant changes and improvements to the original Parker 630 and my Seahawk 2 was the first out of the new mould. Platypus followed soon after
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Thanks guys. Just curious as they look so similar.

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I've noticed similarities between Solent Ribs and Tohatsu's but evidently it's all in my imagination!

Didn't paul lemmer use to own BWM?
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I've noticed similarities between Solent Ribs and Tohatsu's but evidently it's all in my imagination!

Didn't paul lemmer use to own BWM?

Oh yes. So I suspect there is some similarity although thats no bad thing as the DS21 hull is a pretty good ride for its length IMHO.
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Oh yes. So I suspect there is some similarity although thats no bad thing as the DS21 hull is a pretty good ride for its length IMHO.

I agree wholeheartedly, I'm very happy with that hull which is why I was pleased to see that the design was carried on, but like Mr Wave, it must be my imagination.
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Mystery Plays!

So tell me, what is all the mystery and innuendo here? If the Tohatsu has evolved into the Solent, and the BWM into the Parker, both with appropriate improvements to the original (good) designs, so what?

The issues for the buyer are the comparative performance of the boats (in all senses), the perception of likely second hand value, and some estimate of the likely customer support offered.

It is of little real interest to the customer how they evolved - unless there might be unlikely issues such as patent infringement which might affect the viability of one of the manufacturers.

Or am I, a simple newbie, missing something?

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I've noticed similarities between Solent Ribs and Tohatsu's but evidently it's all in my imagination!
Your going to upset those IOW instructors again

Bruce, the BWM hull wasn't a bad design, it was the build quality that let them down but having crawled all over Andre's rib at Littlehampton I was impressed by the quality and thought that has gone into the boats over the last few years by Parker.

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Old 20 September 2004, 18:39   #11
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Design - could not agree more - and hence the difficult choice between Parker or Solent. Neither are in any way it seems a bad design and, at the 6.5M mark, either would have done very well for me.

It came down to

* price (inevitably)
* that elusive feeling of which company's approach (style) would best fit with my and my wife's objectives
* who I met first - and who had therefore had longer to impress the 'newbie'
* short rides at RIBEX and outside Portsmouth and a perception that the Solent was a gentler ride

In short, to the (typical) newbie, it comes down to sales support and money, and the inevitably subjective (the sea never stays the same and the route taken is always different) feel of the boat.

I emphasise, I would be just as excited if I was about to take delivery of a Solent or Parker (or for that matter an XS, or Coastline, or....). It is to be a Solent in the next 10 days or so, and I am excited!

But I have to say I never considered, never thought to ask, about the evolution of the hull. Had never heard of Tohatsu or B.. whatever!

Pewrhaps rib salesmen should reflect on the fact that, to an inexperienced buyer, the product does not sell itslef!
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Old 21 September 2004, 03:00   #12
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I guess you are refering to the Parker 630. well there is no relationship as such.
Sorry Andre, I must have misunderstood you. Too many Pirates making too much noise in the pub. I thought you said you started from a BWM mould and improved it. My mistake.
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Wherever the current Parker hull came from I can vouch for its heavy sea capabilities after Sunday
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