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Old 09 October 2014, 08:02   #11
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Seems to me the Colregs are only ever really usefull when there is an accident to help the insurance companies
Surely you are mistaken, they provide people on ybw, and apparently you, hours of entertainment debating situations they didn't even see.
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Old 09 October 2014, 08:20   #12
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Old 09 October 2014, 08:38   #13
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Seems to me the Colregs are only ever really usefull when there is an accident to help the insurance companies as we all know and see that many people dont know about them or ignore them.
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Unfortunately in the past and going forward, IRPCS have and will be misinterpreted despite them being clear and, in my opinion, unambiguous rules......

.......The increasing presence of recreational boats, many of which are operated by persons not completely familiar with the collision regulations can exacerbate the problem.
I knew that Murphy was hot on Law, but I'd not previously realised that he was a master of Diplomacy as well
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While we're on the subject how did that naval chappie who decorated the anchor of that tanker with his mast get on? I missed the final episode ?
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I use a "personal" rule that essentially says might is right - Basically if it's big, and I'm in a small manoeuvrable boat (power or sail) - I'll stay clear.
Rule of tonnage. Comes down to not so much who legally has right of way, but who loses if something happens.

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If you can read properly you will note I was more interested in the legal definition or official designation of a narrow channel as its useful to know then you can expect certain things.
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Narrow Channel ?

Vessels constrained by draught in a narrow channel should display a Black cylindrical shape ?
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As has already been pointed out, what determines what is a narrow channel is defined only by what is using it.

The ferry could only use the narrow channel, and therefore was a peer driven vessel using the narrow channel. The WAFI was ( probably) under sail, therefore was obliged to avoid impeding the passage of the ferry, however he was still the stand on vessel. The ferry should have realized he was not to be impeded, but when it became clear he was being impeded, should have taken action, such as slowing down, altering as much as possible, depending on the time and room available.

It really does amaze me to see some smaller craft dicing with death. I have been on a vessel with less than 1 meter under the keel, with 12 meters draught, 45m beam in a channel of only 100 meters width, and still small craft decide to play chicken with us!

The rule of "might has right" (as well as the colleges) applies here. If we hit you, you are going to know about it, and have a very very bad day.
We might not even scratch the paintwork.

With 100,000 tones plus of vessel doing 8 to 10 knots we don't slow down very easily, so cannot always get out of the way.

The bottom line probably is that in a harbour, or traffic separation scheme a yacht or fishing boat, or small vessel will likely be required to avoid impeding the passage of a power driven larger vessel following the channel, or TSS! So should keep clear. Being in a race, or under sail is not a valid reason not to.
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