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Old 11 November 2008, 16:23   #31
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Well you obviously aren't MDL Marinas and are unlikely to be given the challenging task of reviewing a tenancy agreement.
However you are clearly frustrated with this situation so perhaps to afford you some satisfaction, maybe you should take Mr. Glatzel's advice and visit Holes Bay and let them know about your desire to review their contract. Then you might receive their views directly.
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Old 11 November 2008, 16:32   #32
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ah yes. is this the one with the plastic Boat?? well we know his views on screwed on consols!!
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Old 11 November 2008, 17:14   #33
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Bigmuz7, Hi. I don’t really feel it is my place to comment on who did what etc however your comment relates to the dealers responsibility to ensure a vessel is fit for purpose when delivered. I was commenting regarding Holes Bay – not the dealer.
So was I .. Holes bay was the eventual supplying dealer if I'm not mistaken

"The RIB-X Explorer XP510 remained on display in the showroom for over a year. In an
attempt to increase the chance of selling the RIB, the dealer decided to fit an engine
and steering system and make it ready for use.
On 30 August 2007 Holes Bay Marine fitted an 80hp Mariner outboard motor and
hydraulic steering system. It also supplied and fitted removable fuel tanks, fuel lines,
throttle arrangement, control cables, a battery and an isolator switch. The RIB was sold on 23 February 2008 and delivered to the purchaser on 1 March
2008. An opportunity for the dealer to demonstrate the boat to its owner did not
materialise, and the newly named Partner 1 was put into water for the first time on 19
April 2008 "

As quoted from MAIB report


So Holes bay had the final say If I'm not mistaken ?
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Old 11 November 2008, 17:44   #34
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Bigmuz7. I'm afraid that your interpretation of the report is incorrect but I can see how it may be possible to do so. The dealer was Poole Boating Centre, the report refers to the fact that they ceased to operate on or around the time of the sale of the vessel.

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Old 11 November 2008, 18:02   #35
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Bigmuz7. I'm afraid that your interpretation of the report is incorrect but I can see how it may be possible to do so. The dealer was Poole Boating Centre, the report refers to the fact that they ceased to operate on or around the time of the sale of the vessel.

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Sure .. ok Paul ,.. but isnt my point the same though, about an ultimate inspector not paying attention to some vital facts,.. which is perhaps confused by something else no one has mentioned,.. that the helm console is also a seat ,and like a car ,.. should be certified to hold a certain weight,.. and is nothing without its fixture to the deck ?
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Well<...............<edited to stop people getting bored>......................................direct ly.
I did consider asking JK if he fancied changing your status to something more fitting but in the end I decided it describes you quite well. I've got 50 in my wallet. I know it's a better offer than you were expecting for your property portfolio, but I'm feeling generous.

Oh, and don't forget to swim away fast as they sink...
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I support timw's comment.
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Old 12 November 2008, 03:25   #38
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i dont, what a donut!!!
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I support timw's comment.
yes JW but we shouldn't let common sense get in the way of a rib net slanging match, based on people's past disputes with other members - rather than the subject of the thread!
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Ditto.
I personally see this as a failing on the part of Rib-X in not insisting that dealers have a fitter trained to fit out Rib-X hulls before they supply them with said hulls.

I think however that is a relatively minor failing given the utterly negligent bodging carried out by Holes Bay Marine. Given their location in an extremely expensive marina I'd expect the work they carry out to be of a very high standard.
If I were MDL Marinas I'd be seriously reviewing Holes Bay Marine's tenancy at this point.
In light of Paul's comments, I have thoroughly reread the MAIB report and I withdraw the post I've quoted as it appears I've made some assumptions I shouldn't have. I do see how (given the reported circumstances of the sale/rigging) it would be easy to mistakenly overlook the bolting down of the console.

However, I still feel given the contents of the report (assuming the RIb-X report on the dealers failings is accurately relayed) and my own experience i fitting out boats that whoever rigged the engine/helm at Holes Bay Marine should have been severely taken to task over the quality of workmanship.
There is in my view absolutely no excuse for:-

Fitting an outboard without sealing the transom bolts.

Not fitting witches hats (or anything to minimise chafing) to the cable runs.

Kinked hydraulic lines.

The lack of venting of the under deck area-the lowest obvious egress for fuel vapour appears to lead to the under deck area which houses the kill switch. As fuel vapour is heavier than air this could potentially lead to a dangerous buildup of vapour in the bilges as well as under the console.
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