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Old 01 November 2008, 04:31   #21
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I would have thought RIB-X had a vested interest in putting things right: can you imagine the repercussions for them if another of their wrongly rigged boats was involved in an accident?
You would think so wouldnt you.. but as I have found out to my own cost, its not always the case. In reality the manufacturer ends up blaming the dealer, and the dealer ends up blaming the manufacturer, and so it goes round. It seems to me that some builders are very short sighted in this regard. As for CE marking, being self certifying isnt it ? doent count for much I'm afraid.

Perhaps the boat owner will tell us more about what happened afterwards
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Having read the report, I am shocked and apalled at the standard of the workmanship that went into rigging the rib. The kill switch mounting is apalling! it looks like its right through a knee, and the steering pipes....well what can you say.
when you see something like this you realise just how well nailed together the old avon SR is! i dint think my console will ever detatch with 8 M10 bolts and half a tube of sikaflex!
Ditto.
I personally see this as a failing on the part of Rib-X in not insisting that dealers have a fitter trained to fit out Rib-X hulls before they supply them with said hulls.

I think however that is a relatively minor failing given the utterly negligent bodging carried out by Holes Bay Marine. Given their location in an extremely expensive marina I'd expect the work they carry out to be of a very high standard.
If I were MDL Marinas I'd be seriously reviewing Holes Bay Marine's tenancy at this point.
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It'll be interesting to hear what people like Paul Glatzel of Powerboat Training have to say about it, as I believe he uses Holes Bay all the time!
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There are several manufacturers that supply boats in kit form, and I am sure that there are a large number of boats out there not rigged by "trained and approved" fitters, which under the new interpretation of the rules should not have a CE plate or worse still could be dangerous!
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It'll be interesting to hear what people like Paul Glatzel of Powerboat Training have to say about it, as I believe he uses Holes Bay all the time!
See the article on p67 of the latst RIB International.
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As you will have gathered from the MAIB report and the article in RIB Magazine iím pretty well versed in this incident and as I was posting elsewhere on the site thought iíd pop my two pennyworth in to this post too.

Someone raised the question on this thread about the client and what has happened to him. Without doubt he was the one that suffered in all of this. Whilst he had boated before he was new to RIBing and had high expectations of a great weekend on his Level 2 course. Well certainly most of it went very well it was just the last few hours that went a bit awry. Iím glad to say that he was keen to continue ribbing and now has a new RIB which we have been out on and finished his course off on. He seems very happy and is enjoying his RIBing.

Comments have been made about Holes Bay Marine. I have used the guys at Holes Bay for many years and am happy to continue to use their services. They provide us a good professional service and have an excellent reputation in Poole. There are many other providers that we could use and if I was anything other than 100% certain that the work they do on our boats is of the appropriate standard then I would walk away. I would suggest that if any of you have issues with them I would venture to suggest that you go and meet them and decide for yourself face to face rather than deciding from afar.

If anyone has any questions about this incident then I will do my best to answer them

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I would imagine that your client learnt a huge amount from this incident & your/ your teams handling of it ?

Hopefully, while very unsettling in the short term it will make everyone who knows about it a better boater ?
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I would suggest that if any of you have issues with them I would venture to suggest that you go and meet them and decide for yourself face to face rather than deciding from afar.
Sounds fair enough Paul,.. but any dealer kitting up a boat and leaving a Jockey/helm seat fixed with a few transit screws, and not even checking this as part of an installation wants a sore bottom in my view
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Ditto.
I personally see this as a failing on the part of Rib-X in not insisting that dealers have a fitter trained to fit out Rib-X hulls before they supply them with said hulls.

I think however that is a relatively minor failing given the utterly negligent bodging carried out by Holes Bay Marine. Given their location in an extremely expensive marina I'd expect the work they carry out to be of a very high standard.
If I were MDL Marinas I'd be seriously reviewing Holes Bay Marine's tenancy at this point.
Well you obviously aren't MDL Marinas and are unlikely to be given the challenging task of reviewing a tenancy agreement.
However you are clearly frustrated with this situation so perhaps to afford you some satisfaction, maybe you should take Mr. Glatzel's advice and visit Holes Bay and let them know about your desire to review their contract. Then you might receive their views directly.
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would imagine that your client learnt a huge amount from this incident & your/ your teams handling of it ?

Hopefully, while very unsettling in the short term it will make everyone who knows about it a better boater ?
Blackroady, Hi, I suspect for the client ultimately it will just form another of chunks of experience that we all gain as we progress our boating expedition. It was certainly a pretty extreme introduction to smaller boats and without doubt reinforced the benefits of LJs & killcords.

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Sounds fair enough Paul,.. but any dealer kitting up a boat and leaving a Jockey/helm seat fixed with a few transit screws, and not even checking this as part of an installation wants a sore bottom in my view
Bigmuz7, Hi. I donít really feel it is my place to comment on who did what etc however your comment relates to the dealers responsibility to ensure a vessel is fit for purpose when delivered. I was commenting regarding Holes Bay Ė not the dealer.

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