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Old 18 December 2004, 14:33   #11
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I've only got it for use in international waters officer - if that's ok with you of course
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Old 18 December 2004, 14:43   #12
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Quite right too, possession is not an offence, only the use of it. I guess you will only be using it when you are out at that offshore off licence stocking up with cheap fags and booze
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Old 18 December 2004, 15:18   #13
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Quite right too, possession is not an offence, only the use of it. I guess you will only be using it when you are out at that offshore off licence stocking up with cheap fags and booze
yeah, waiting for them to do fuel also if 'good ole tony' knocks red diesel on the head
(has any progress / descision been made on red diesel??)
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Old 18 December 2004, 16:21   #14
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No, but it's on the cards, I'm just waiting like a Vulcher to swoop in and get a fantastic bargain from some boater who has kept his head in the sand, didn't see the writing on the wall or ignored it, and did not get rid of it before the massive increase, and then has a boat he can't afford to use

Lets face it, with regards to bigger boats, if your boating budget is 1,000 a month, you pay 700 for finance on your boat and use 300 for maintenance and fuel (say 200), if that fuel is then going to be 600 / 700 or at worse 800 a month with the increase, 25p ltr to 1 (now only 200 a month for finance and maintenance), you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that something has to change. So, you either go out boating 75% less, buy a smaller boat that you can afford to run with a more economical engine, buy a cheaper older boat OR send SWMBO out to work

So no crying when the fuel goes up in price, the smart ones who know they could see an immediate depreciation of say 20-25% of their investment and can't afford that risk are selling now. I would guess that buyers would want the boat discounted in order to offset the cost of the new high priced diesel, so calculations would need to be done. If you needed an extra 600 a month for fuel, well what would that be on finance of a boat of 10 years or whatever? a lot of money! I would guess would need to knock a lot off to cover that cost!

I bet the dealers don't say a thing at the boat show when they are selling them to you Good news is that the popularity of petrol boats will increase, so the poor people that have seen their petrol boats drop like a stone, may be having the last laugh All they need is a few more petrol pumps at the waterside, then we can all be happy, as for safety, well the Americans don't seem to have any problem, and they are a suing culture.

There are enough people with money to fill the gaps, but those people who have been using and enjoying the low cost diesel, and relying on it staying at that price will be the most hurt IMHO. As you can see in the Med, the price of diesel is not cheap, and there are enough people around using boats, but they HAVE budgeted for that cost. All IMHO of course.
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Old 18 December 2004, 17:58   #15
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Hmm, except how would the government levi road duty on a boat ? or all those farmers ? or stop people running it on veg oil or heating oil? anyway my money is on a change of Government next year

Perhaps best wait and see what happens, and if the worst does happen, well we can all buy modern little diesel ribs to run round in, unless someone knows of a 120 hp petrol engine that runs on 2 gallons an hour.

http://www.barrus.co.uk/pdfs/mcd17l_gb.pdf

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Old 18 December 2004, 18:47   #16
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As all tanks would already be contaminated, I guess it would be a matter of commercial vessels claiming back a rebate, yet more paper chasers with a job! I for one don't know why nothing has been done to get the road tax part of petrol removed for petrol boats, why on earth should someone with a diesel boat pay less than me for the same hobby. Don't get me wrong, I had the choice when I bought, but to pay 12,000 more for a diesel in the same boat didn't add up for me, you could almost buy the engine for that amount and that was ON TOP of the already installed 5.0gxi 270hp volvo!

I just think that anyone with a diesel boat should enjoy the last two years, and be thankful for the past, lets face it they have filled their boots over the years My fuel costs are about 800 a month, so things can only get better for me if I go diesel e.g. more range, safer boat (according to some), and plumes of black choking smoke

Oh! if the price of petrol came down and diesel went up, meeting half way, I would support that All the nonsense about great losses of jobs is codswallop, there are loads of people ready to jump in the hard to get South Coast berths of those that have bitten off more than they can chew if the prices rise And ANYONE who buys a diesel boat of any sort now, relying on cheap fuel to run it, and who does not calculate what could happen in 2006 into their budget (including an immediate fall in their boat value) is a total and utter fool IMHO. I will be delighted to take their nice big boat off their hands at a fantastic reduction in 2006 when all these boats suddenly swamp the market.

I may be wrong, but I don't think so, it seems to be all or nothing.

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I did a calculation using a mortgage calculator I found here :- https://online.ybs.co.uk/public/mortgages/quick_calc.do

Now if your budget was say 1,500 a month for an average boat, it showed that if you were to borrow 150,000 over 15 yrs @ 5.79% it would cost you 1,247 a month. If you normaly budgeted and used 200 a month on fuel and the price rise went to street prices it could bring your cost for fuel to 800 a month. Take that off your budget of 1,500 and you have 700 left, well a quick look at the borrowing calculator shows that for 665 a month you could only borrow 80,000, so if I was a buyer after the price rise I would want a discount from the seller of 70,000 to cover the new fuel costs and keep within my budget of 1,500 a month, scary really, and that is without the depreciation of the boat Ok so I may agree on 60,000 off the price including a tank of fuel
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Old 18 December 2004, 21:40   #17
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Hmm, except how would the government levi road duty on a boat ? or all those farmers ? or stop people running it on veg oil or heating oil? anyway my money is on a change of Government next year

Perhaps best wait and see what happens, and if the worst does happen, well we can all buy modern little diesel ribs to run round in, unless someone knows of a 120 hp petrol engine that runs on 2 gallons an hour.

http://www.barrus.co.uk/pdfs/mcd17l_gb.pdf

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I wish!!! Trouble is the bloody tories have actually agreed with Labour on the war in Iraq AND id cards so why change???

There is a good irish saying - "no matter who you vote for the government always wins" - so true!!!
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