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Old 15 August 2014, 15:29   #21
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Did they ever find that big passenger plane... you know that malaysian one ???
Funny you mention that, I thought the same but kept it maritime !!!
NO they didn't and that's after a multimillion search ..
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Did they ever find that big passenger plane... you know that malaysian one ???
nope - but then again you have to want to be found.

the DASS system when it comes online will be capable of way much more than the current Sat system,
it would be possible to acivate a new generation beacon
remotely to locate a missing plane or boat.
Return messaging is possible, because the 60 bit limit of the current system will not apply.
However, the constraints on DASS - certainly on launch, will be those placed on it by each countries authorities.
New generations will be Return link capable with DASS.
When a new distress event is created, it will be sent to the French Space Agency in Toulouse,
the Return Link provider, and they will then send the acknowledgement of receipt to the satellite
which will be broadcast through the GPS signal the Gallileo satellite,
not Copsas Sarsat anymore, the navigation signal itself will contain a specific message dedicated to your beacon,
that will let you know that they have now received a distress alert from your beacon.
You will not have any information about the Local Rescue co-ordination centre being active and dispatching rescue resources, because authorities are afraid of liability.

"Mmm all so well and good relying on the electronic stuff. I Know 4 people who were NEVER rescued even though they had the electronic Gizmo's !!"

Are you referring to the Cheeky Rafiki crew?
Assuming you are, rescues are only possible when assets can reach you to perform that rescue,
and in the context of this post, flares would not have helped them.
If anything, it illustrates the need for full exploitation of the DASS system and Return Link Capability.
An emergency is still an emergency, but information is key. The more you can give a Rescue centre the better.

If your not referring to the above, then I would like to know more about the incident(s) your referring to.
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Yes Cheeki Rafiki vessels were in the area. However I will NOT be drawn into any discussion as I Knew 2 of the lads quite well...
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nope - but then again you have to want to be found.
Fair point
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Yes Cheeki Rafiki vessels were in the area. However I will NOT be drawn into any discussion as I Knew 2 of the lads quite well...
Fair enough Brian, and obviously not intending to upset anyone on my part,
the MAIB is investigating and hopefully in due course we will get to
read about the facts.
You may gather that I am very interested in PLB technology,
and have investigated the new developments in that field.
Its perhaps wrong to reference how capable the new technology will be with past incidents,
but I do sense that governments and authorities are going to
wimp out on fully exploiting its potential for fear of litigation,
and that would be shameful.
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Mmm all so well and good relying on the electronic stuff. I Know 4 people who were NEVER rescued even though they had the electronic Gizmo's !!
Did they have flares?
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Yip - he's referring to Chekki and it was coded so they did...
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However I will NOT be drawn into any discussion as I Knew 2 of the lads quite well...
Hang on, you introduced the subject
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Yip - he's referring to Chekki and it was coded so they did...
Didn't do much good though so in the context of this discussion, a bit of a red herring
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SO simple answer is you don't really get the chance to do flare training........

What about commercial coded operators? In my industry you cant do a darn thing without a 3 day course in not falling over....


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Clearly there are those who will swear by the carriage of flares for use in distress and we fully respect that.
However, modern technology such as EPIRB, PLB and VHF DSC provides a more reliable option for distress alerting than flares, and presuming such technology is carried aboard a pleasure craft, the owner may now wish to consider whether there is a need to carry, flares, principally rocket flares, for alerting.
We make it quite clear that EVDS are not to be considered as an alternative for distress alerting.
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